http://www.helixware.com/ Dear Chuck ..... in Ok I have scanned with AdAware and it doesnt seem to pick anything up abt Crow Bar. I'm running late for work now, be back this evening...... Sandy :) www.freelists.org/webpage/triadtechtalk UNSUBSCRIBE by sending email to triadtechtalk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with unsubscribe in the Subject field. To VIEW/CHANGE your subscription status go to //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi