Perhaps the answer is to set some guidelines for what people want shared from
Facebook and take volunteers to forward the information from there to TN-Bird.
I would guess that only 10% of the people on the Tennessee Birding Facebook
page even know what TN-Bird is. Furthermore, there are several other regional
pages. Also, if it came to educating the masses on another tool, I would think
it would be better to familiarize them with e-bird first.
Rick Blanton
Johnson City, TN
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On Sep 8, 2015, at 7:16 AM, tim jeffers
<tim.a.jeffers@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:tim.a.jeffers@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
WOW! What's the ruckus about?!
Stephen - I'm totally in with you! There are tons of birding trips that are
not posted on TN-Bird. Why are they reaming you guys over this?
Bill - If you can't conveniently get on FaceBook, so what? Is everyone else
supposed to not use it?
I am ALL for reporting sightings on TN-Bird as soon as possible. I want the
most people possible aware of interesting/important birds being seen. But
TN-Bird isn't party central. Our Chattanooga TOS meetings rarely get mentioned
on TN Bird, much less the outings for our chapter. NEVER have I seen an
independent outing from people down here posted on TN-Bird. And, don't get me
wrong, I don't think it is inappropriate to invite people for any birding trip
on TN-Bird. I'm just saying that making people (a person) feel they have
failed because of NOT posting a TN-Bird invite is just wrong. Now if your best
friend heads out to a cool spot with someone else and doesn't invite you,
that's another story. :)
Tim Jeffers
Hamilton Co
On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Stephen Zipperer
<stczipperer@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stczipperer@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
If anyone is at fault here it is me. This was my trip I planned it, I put the
invite on Facebook. This was not a TOS function. This essentially was my
planned birding trip. If you did not get invited because I did not put it on
Tn-bird or call you I am sorry. Did not know I had to. I have never seen a
private birder annouce a bird trip on tn-bird. I have seen Chapter trips and
some Out of Country birding trips announced here. Not saying it hasn't
happened, I have never seen it. There are groups of people reporting birding
trips on tn-bird all the time that were not posted with an open invite before
it occurred. Plenty of great bird days I have never been invited too or anyone
else for that matter. I don't really understand the problem here. Is it that I
did something different took iniative and planned a trip without getting
permission from some higher authority, Or what!!! That being said I respect
your opinion Bill Pulliam and appreciate all the ebird work that you do., but
Breeding Bird Surveys never get announced on Tn-bird usually until after they
are done and a lot of Christmas bird counts don't get announced either. These
are the things that should be corrected and complained about. These are the
things that other clubs use to recruit new birders and teach the next
generation. So, before you start complaining on tnbird about a bunch of people
who I got together on facebook on a trip I planned that you did not here about
let's complain about the events that are really important at promoting birding
Breeding bird surveys an Christmas counts and other such events.
Sincerely,
Stephen Zipperer
Rutherford county
On Sep 7, 2015 5:55 PM, "Kevin Bowden"
<bnabirder@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:bnabirder@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Bill has expressed my thoughts exactly and far better than I might have done so.
Thank you, Bill.
Kevin Bowden
Nashville, TN
On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Bill Pulliam
<littlezz@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:littlezz@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
It is not so simple. Facebook is essentially useless over slow internet. We who
are on the wrong side of the digital divide by pure accident of geography can
find it very difficult. Case in point, I live in a hollow wit no cable, no DSL,
and very poor to non-existent cell coverage. My internet options are dialup or
expensive, unreliable, usage-capped satellite. A solution is in the works for
us and our neighbors, but it will take months to complete and will cost us
personally $7000 out of pocket up front. It is unreasonable to just say "well
then just get on Facebook and quit whining."
Let's REALLY be fair, and recognize that we want birding communities and
activities to be open to all who are interested (a very long-standing
tradition). And let's be fair and not exclude people who live on the wrong
street or don't have a lot of spare money laying around for the limited
expensive internet options available in many areas.
And, of course, Facebook sells user data and has a poor track record with
respect to user privacy. Requiring community members to participate in one
single for-profit corporate activity is also hardly "fair." As a corollary, we
can buy our optics openly on the free market, we are not forced to use one
particular vendor regardless of their customer service practices. And there
would be an uproar if we were. You can be an active member of your local
birding community even if you can barely afford cheap garage-sale optics.
Unfortunately, this is not just a fluke of a particular time in history, it is
the trend of the future. Internet companies are learning that by limiting
sharing they get more members who surrender personal data that can be sold for
a profit, and more eyes on their ads which means higher advertising revenues.
This makes the truly public fora and archives like TN-birds even MORE valuable,
not less, in the present and future internet.
Bill Pulliam
Hohenwald TN
On Sep 7, 2015, at 5:02 PM, Graham wrote:
Let's be fair though, if folks feel that they are missing out on the Facebook
activity, they should simply join the group on Facebook. I understand that
cross posting is important for the data archiving, but it is not relevant for
the social aspects, where Facebook is vastly superior. If there is an
obligation to post invitations to this group for birding trips, I must have
missed it in the rules. It hardly seems fair to guilt trip anyone for posting
in the forum of their choosing.
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