Well said, Kevin.
Ed Schneider
Nashville, TN
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On Sep 7, 2015, at 9:10 PM, Kevin Breault <kbreault@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I think we can all agree on one rule, that now more than ever more
communication in birding is better. We live at a time when technology is
changing the way we have communicated in the past. These kinds of disruptions
aren't always fair to everyone, especially at the start, and I would support
efforts to include all, but I would rather welcome first and restrict last.
Kevin Breault
Brentwood, TN
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On Sep 7, 2015, at 6:32 PM, Stephen Zipperer <stczipperer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
If anyone is at fault here it is me. This was my trip I planned it, I put
the invite on Facebook. This was not a TOS function. This essentially was
my planned birding trip. If you did not get invited because I did not put it
on Tn-bird or call you I am sorry. Did not know I had to. I have never seen
a private birder annouce a bird trip on tn-bird. I have seen Chapter trips
and some Out of Country birding trips announced here. Not saying it hasn't
happened, I have never seen it. There are groups of people reporting
birding trips on tn-bird all the time that were not posted with an open
invite before it occurred. Plenty of great bird days I have never been
invited too or anyone else for that matter. I don't really understand the
problem here. Is it that I did something different took iniative and planned
a trip without getting permission from some higher authority, Or what!!!
That being said I respect your opinion Bill Pulliam and appreciate all the
ebird work that you do., but Breeding Bird Surveys never get announced on
Tn-bird usually until after they are done and a lot of Christmas bird counts
don't get announced either. These are the things that should be corrected
and complained about. These are the things that other clubs use to recruit
new birders and teach the next generation. So, before you start complaining
on tnbird about a bunch of people who I got together on facebook on a trip I
planned that you did not here about let's complain about the events that are
really important at promoting birding Breeding bird surveys an Christmas
counts and other such events.
Sincerely,
Stephen Zipperer
Rutherford county
On Sep 7, 2015 5:55 PM, "Kevin Bowden" <bnabirder@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Bill has expressed my thoughts exactly and far better than I might have
done so.
Thank you, Bill.
Kevin Bowden
Nashville, TN
On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Bill Pulliam <littlezz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
It is not so simple. Facebook is essentially useless over slow internet.
We who are on the wrong side of the digital divide by pure accident of
geography can find it very difficult. Case in point, I live in a hollow
wit no cable, no DSL, and very poor to non-existent cell coverage. My
internet options are dialup or expensive, unreliable, usage-capped
satellite. A solution is in the works for us and our neighbors, but it
will take months to complete and will cost us personally $7000 out of
pocket up front. It is unreasonable to just say "well then just get on
Facebook and quit whining."
Let's REALLY be fair, and recognize that we want birding communities and
activities to be open to all who are interested (a very long-standing
tradition). And let's be fair and not exclude people who live on the wrong
street or don't have a lot of spare money laying around for the limited
expensive internet options available in many areas.
And, of course, Facebook sells user data and has a poor track record with
respect to user privacy. Requiring community members to participate in one
single for-profit corporate activity is also hardly "fair." As a
corollary, we can buy our optics openly on the free market, we are not
forced to use one particular vendor regardless of their customer service
practices. And there would be an uproar if we were. You can be an active
member of your local birding community even if you can barely afford cheap
garage-sale optics.
Unfortunately, this is not just a fluke of a particular time in history,
it is the trend of the future. Internet companies are learning that by
limiting sharing they get more members who surrender personal data that
can be sold for a profit, and more eyes on their ads which means higher
advertising revenues. This makes the truly public fora and archives like
TN-birds even MORE valuable, not less, in the present and future internet.
Bill Pulliam
Hohenwald TN
On Sep 7, 2015, at 5:02 PM, Graham wrote:
Let's be fair though, if folks feel that they are missing out on the
Facebook activity, they should simply join the group on Facebook. I
understand that cross posting is important for the data archiving, but it
is not relevant for the social aspects, where Facebook is vastly
superior. If there is an obligation to post invitations to this group for
birding trips, I must have missed it in the rules. It hardly seems fair
to guilt trip anyone for posting in the forum of their choosing.
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