[THIN] Re: VDA License required for XP Pro
- From: richard van beers <richard.van.beers@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 11:54:05 +0200
yay for transparent licenses. Sorry coudnt resist.
Nice sumery.
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Andrew Wood
<andrew.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> VDA Licenses are for devices, not for OSes. Your VDA license lets you run
> either Win7, Vista or XP in the HvD but it’s a Windows OS running in a VM;
> it needs to be licensed. You say “lets ignore the FPP” – note here that
> Volume licenses are treated in the same manner as FPP – so for VL, the FPP
> rules (which I mentioned earlier) apply.
>
>
>
> If you want to use a device that doesn’t have a windows license associated
> with it (like a thin client), or a non-qualifying license (like a device
> running Windows XP embedded) … you need a VDA. You can’t “assign a VL Win7”
> license a thin client/XPe device: that device doesn’t qualify.
>
>
>
> If you want to use a device that does have a windows license & has an
> associated VL upgrade, but doesn’t have SA – you may need to buy a VDA <
> this option is a false economy imo.
>
> If you’ve 50 Thin Clients and you want to use them to host a HVD session
> running XP (or Vista, or Win7) – 50 VDA licenses.
>
>
>
> If you’ve 50 PCs with an OEM license assigned to them and you’ve got:
>
> · VL upgrade for those PCs (which you have), AND
>
> · you’ve not got SA for them (which you don’t) AND
>
> · you want to use them to access a HvD running a Windows OS
> (win7,vista, or xp) (which you do) AND
>
> · You want more flexibility than the default FPP/VL rules allow when
> running HvD (again, which you do I would expect) Then
>
> you need to :
>
> o buy a VDA license for each device or
>
> o get SA for those devices < this is the recommended option, Why? Because
> it’s about the same price as VDA but comes with more “stuff” – and it’s a
> %age cost (@29% iirc) of your license. Depending on your volume agreement,
> that could be less than $100/year for the VDA license.
>
>
>
> In the first document I referenced (the MS licensing guide) there is an
> example scenario given:
>
>
>
> CORPORATE OWNED COMPUTERS
>
> An organization has 100 devices that need access to the VDI environment.
> However, only 80 users and only 50 VMs are used at any one
>
> time. Since 100 different devices will be accessing the VDI environment the
> following would be required:
>
> · Devices are PCs covered with SA: No additional licensing
>
> · Devices are thin clients not covered with SA: 100 Windows VDA
> licenses
>
>
>
> Sounds very similar to your scenario: I’d say all your devices count as
> “thin clients” here.
>
>
>
> My answer “you need a VDA license for your Thin Clients”. For your desktops
> – sounds like you need at least to move them to SA. This is would be the
> requirement regardless of the HvD’s OS – be it XP or Win7 – because MS
> desktop licenses are assigned to a device.
>
>
>
> Some additional info:
>
>
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/volume-licensing-briefs.aspx#tab=3
>
>
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/product-licensing.aspx#tab=2
>
>
>
> Hope this clarifies.
>
>
>
> As ever, if in doubt, consult a MS Licensing specialist. Prepare to be even
> more confused L
>
>
>
>
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Russell Robertson
> Sent: 12 April 2011 09:24
>
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: VDA License required for XP Pro
>
>
>
> Hi Andrew
>
>
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
>
>
> This just shows the mess that MS licensing is in.
>
>
>
> Let’s ignore the FPP as that doesn’t count and I’m expecting to be able to
> assign a Win 7 license from Select to the thin clients. The client have
> already purchased Windows 7 via Select so it’s a sunk cost.
>
>
>
> Key query here is; “do I need a VDA license for XP Pro”? I’m hoping not and
> that it’s only a requirement for Windows 7.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Russell
>
>
>
>
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Andrew Wood
> Sent: 11 April 2011 23:33
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: VDA License required for XP Pro
>
>
>
> Russell,
>
>
>
> Windows 7 Professional, Windows Vista Business or windows XP Professional
> obtained through a Volume License upgrade, when purchased on top of a
> qualifying operating system license (i.e. for their existing PCs) has all
> the limitations of a full packaged product (FPP) license.
>
>
>
> FPP can be used for VDI if:
>
>
>
> 1) The physical server on which the virtual desktop is installed is
> assigned to 1 user. This is obviously nuts, but it is legal.
>
> 2) You assign a FPP to a device, and you use that device to access to
> the VM *under the condition that* you don’t move that VM around. It can only
> be present on 1 server. So - no vmotion/xenmotion or load balancing. So –
> for every device that has an OEM windows license that you’ve “upgraded”
> with your volume license that counts as 1 license to access a VM, but that
> VM can only go on 1 server.
>
>
>
> So – for your PCs, you could leave them as is with these caveats above –
> point 2 is important. You might consider that OK; you might only have 1 main
> server or accept that each user’s VM will only be available from 1 server.
>
>
>
> Each of the thin clients (as they don’t have an OEM license assigned) needs
> to have a VDA license. As does any corporate smartphone/tablet. Bear in mind
> your VDA license is a cost per device, per year.
>
>
>
> You may consider that pt 2) is a PITA – you can solve that by getting SA for
> those VLs. With VDA & SA you get (drum roll Animal please…)
>
>
>
> · Install Windows 7/Windows Vista/Windows XP virtual machines on any
> combination of hardware and storage
>
> · Unlimited movement between servers and storage
>
> · Access corporate desktop images from non-corporate owned
> Windows-based PCs (home use, but not those deluded Mac users… splitters)
>
> · The primary user of a Windows VDA device has extended roaming
> rights, which means that the Punter can access their VDI desktop from any
> device outside of the corporate environment, such as a home PC or an
> internet kiosk (even if they have a Mac)
>
> · Eligibility for other Software Assurance products, such as MDOP
> and Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs
>
> · Single Windows VDA license allows concurrent access for up to 4
> VMs
>
> · Reassignment rights to another device after 90 days, or in the
> case of end-point failure
>
> · Dynamic desktop licensing enabled through KMS/MAK activation &
> indeed, access to Enterprise versions of Windows.
>
> · Unlimited backups of both running and stored VMs (woo)
>
> · Includes Software Assurance (SA) benefits such as 24x7 call
> support, training vouchers, trips to disney land*, rocket ships to mars*
> etc.
>
>
>
>
>
> Note the “outside of the corporate environment” – a roaming license lets
> your punter use their VDA/SA license to access their desktop from their
> tablet/smartphone *until they bring it into the office* - then it needs a
> license. Again, nuts – but Be Aware.
>
>
>
> Links?
>
>
>
> Licensing Windows for Virtual Desktops Whitepaper:
>
> http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCwQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdownload.microsoft.com%2Fdownload%2FC%2F6%2F7%2FC673E444-6DDD-40B8-B29F-625354F2A8F7%2FLicensing_Windows_for_Virtual_Desktops_Whitepaper.pdf&ei=JH2jTaD5BcOxhAez2dz1BA&usg=AFQjCNFVSHX_5GZICVF8-ceOdEdNasKWFg
>
>
>
> Licensing VDI for Microsoft Desktops – is it rocket science?
>
> http://www.virtualizationpractice.com/blog/?p=9389
>
>
>
> Applications and OS Licensing: Remote Access and Roaming Use:
> http://tonymackelworth.wordpress.com/2011/03/17/applications-and-os-licensing-remote-access-and-roaming-use/
>
>
>
> hth
>
>
>
> · * these items may not be true but could be added once MS run out
> of ideas.
>
>
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Russell Robertson
> Sent: 11 April 2011 20:20
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] VDA License required for XP Pro
>
>
>
> Hello
>
>
>
> I have a client who is looking at rolling out XP via XD5. My query is, do
> they need a VDA license for XP Pro? It would be delivered to both desktops
> PCs and thin clients. The client has Windows 7 via Select Agreement. No SA.
> They don’t want to roll out Win 7 yet due to app compatibility so that’s not
> an option.
>
>
>
> Anyone done this already? Pointers to MS documents would be great.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Russell
>
>
>
> Russell Robertson | Virtual Stream
>
>
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