[THIN] Re: Pano VDI Solution
- From: "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 10:26:57 -0700
Well keep in mind that this is a proposed VESA standard. Isn't VESA the
standard for things like VGA, screen resolutions, pinouts on monitors, etc?
Note that Avocent was an author of this article. I think Net2display is
going to be more of a remote KVM solution type solution rather than an
optimized virtualization protocol. That is a good thing, but a little
different that a software optimized virtualization protocol. Just my gut
feel on this, could be FUD...
Of course Rick would never post FUD, he is sanctified in the halls of Thin.
I am just trying to get him to post more..!!!!
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85266
(602) 432-8649
www.thinclient.net
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Douglas Brown
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:03 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Pano VDI Solution
1. Rick will never be one that is providing FUD. :) EVER...
Although working for a vender can put blinders on, that is for sure. I
learned that...
2. I think it has the ability to be an amazing protocol but in order to
get it to be anything more than yet another protocol I think it needs buy
off from the big boys, Citrix, Microsoft, and even Vmware. Citrix would
never want something like this. It hurts ICA and we all know ICA is still
the keys to the kingdom. Microsoft might want it but then they usually
want THEIR protocols to be the standard not someone else's.. ;) VMware is
the interesting one. If Vmware was to switch from RDP to net2display then
that would help...
No offence to Provision (Quest) but I don't think that if they support it or
companies like Pano support it are enough.. I could be wrong. This is just
an idea...
Curious what others think...
The fact is we need a solution, the other fact is we need Microsoft to
support it...... Or am I wrong that we need Microsoft to support it?
On 6/7/08 12:53 PM, "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
That is the paper I have seen as well. I think it is a great idea but an
academic recommendation is still far away from a protocol that would
displace RDP and ICA for remote connections!
This paper just basically says that we need to develop a new protocol that
would allow ICA and RDP to support full motion video and other rich
graphical applications. Uh, isn't that what all of our discussions with MS
and CTX have been about for years and their brightest minds, which make us
look dim, are already working on???? Isn't the shift to GPU based remoting
what we say demos in the Geek Speak lab?
Did I miss something? Has Rick been reduced to providing FUD? Say it isn't
so, NO, it can't be!!! :-)
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85266
(602) 432-8649
www.thinclient.net <www.thinclient.net>
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Douglas Brown
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:35 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Pano VDI Solution
This looks like an interesting paper:
http://www.ncl.cs.columbia.edu/publications/adeac2006_fordist.pdf
On 6/7/08 12:26 PM, "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Rick,
I haven't found any more detail information about Net2Display, do you have
any links that might show an implementation or at least the planned feature
set and performance characteristics?
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85266
(602) 432-8649
www.thinclient.net <www.thinclient.net>
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Rick Mack
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 8:21 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Pano VDI Solution
Hi Jim,
Panologic and also Teradici have a hardware remoting protocol that has
completely transparent hardware (graphics, keyboard/mouse, USB etc)
"redirection". This means that multimedia performance and just about
everything else will be as good as on a PC, at least for LAN-based thin
clients. The good news for hardware manufacturers is that the "back-end"
systems are blade PCs.
The largest single drawback with a Panalogic/Teradici type solution is the
hardware support required at both ends, and the fact that the protocol is
proprietary.
Remote/WAN access is still going to be a problem with stuff like latency etc
but that may very well be handled by the new VESA Net2Display protocol which
will handle LAN clients as well. If Net2Display takes off, the relevance of
RDP and ICA could become questionable. Since Teradici are heavily involved
with Net2Display, it's probably a good guess that they will soon have
Net2Display support in their hardware. That makes it non-proprietary and may
well point to the future of thin clients.
regards,
Rick
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