Ron, Thanks for the info, though that is somewhat disconcerting news. I just had a conversation with a Wyse engineer though and he has offered up another "potential" solution that I want to throw out for feedback. He indicated that if I have 3360 Wyse Winterms with 16MB flash and the 3.51 code, I can run I.E. 4.0 on the Winterm and access two different MF farms through NFUSE published apps. Does this sound like a viable option? It might be a lot easier for us to identify 90 3360 terminals and ensure they have enough Flash memory than deploying 90 new terminals, which we are hoping to avoid. We have never previously had a need for the NFUSE product so I have not really looked that closely at it. Anyone running it and able to extol its benefits? Thanks! Rob Slayden 24 Hour Fitness, Inc. ----Original Message----- From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 8:44 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: ICA Gateway between MF 1.8 and MF XP Sorry to break the bad news but this isn't going to happen. MF XP needs to run in mixed mode. And the Gateway 1.8 was a two way thing between 1.8 servers There is no gateway feature in XP since it is not needed. 1.8 needed it since its browse list was built by broadcast and therefore limited to the local subnet and you needed this to span subnets with the farm. XP does not use this method so it will not work. So the only thing to do (in your case) Is create an XP farm in mixed mode to incorporate the 1.8 servers. At least one of the XP servers will have to reside on the same subnet as the 1.8 servers. This will allow you to migrate from the existing 1.8 farm to XP since Mixed mode is not meant for long term use (best practice not longer than a month, Longest I have seen it successful before problems start to occur 8 weeks. Longest I have SEEN it run. 5 months but the farm was falling apart by my standards at that point. In anyway you are going to have to upgrade or keep two different farms. Ron Oglesby Senior Technical Architect RapidApp Office 312.372.7188 Mobile 815.325.7618 email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx> -----Original Message----- From: Rob Slayden [mailto:rslayden@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:29 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] ICA Gateway between MF 1.8 and MF XP We have a fairly large MF 1.8 farm (27 servers-NT 4.0 TSE/3800 Wyse Winterm users) and we are about to deploy a small MF XP farm (3 servers-W2k3/90 users). We use Wyse Winterms (3350 and 3360) and we want to enable access to BOTH farms from the same Winterm. It appears that the ICA gateway will fit the bill nicely. My question is the ability of the ICA gateway to function across disparate versions of MetaFrame. I have two questions related to this problem: Has anyone used the ICA Gateway functionality across MF 1.8 and MF XP? As each farm will reside in its own subnet, is there a better solution than the ICA Gateway to enable this access? Note that the option to upgrade the MF 1.8 farm is cost-prohibitive as we would need to purchase a LARGE number of TS CALs and W2K3 CALs (not currently in the budget!). On another note, I FINALLY get to attend Citrix iForum after 4 years of managing a large MF farm. I am looking forward to networking with others of "my kind" and hearing about the different implementations of Citrix MetaFrame, not to mention the technical breakout sessions! I will be taking my family and am wondering if anyone has any good family-oriented hotel recommendations. The Swan and Dolphin look like they would be fun for the family but the rooms are a little pricey, even with the iForum-attendee discount. Is it just me or does anyone else think Citrix could have worked out a better deal than $239 per night??!! Thanks for any and all responses. Rob Slayden <>< NT/Citrix Systems Engineer 24 Hour Fitness, Inc. 2234 Rutherford Rd. Carlsbad, CA 92008 760-918-4787 - Work 760-802-8498 - Cell 760-918-4854 - Fax rslayden@xxxxxxxxxxxxx