You can essentially scale up until you run out of kernel memory or PTEs. If you're applications are memory hungry, you may be able to scale your server to 8 - 16gigs. Joe From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jon Luchette Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 7:58 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Citrix Servers and RAM O.K. so just so that I have it straight: it would never make sense to put more than 4GB of RAM in any Citrix or Terminal Server running a 32 bit operating system because of the kernel memory limitation? On 10/8/07, Landin, Mark <Mark.Landin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Yes, that limit exists in Enterprise because it is still a 32-bit OS. The kernel memory limitations disappear (for practical purposes) only when implementing a 64-bit OS. This kernel limitation is an architectural decision separate from the 4GB memory limit. The limitation used to be a lot more severe in Windows 2000, and was relaxed significantly in 2003, but still exists except in Server 2003 64-bit (any edition). _____ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: <mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jon Luchette Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:27 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Citrix Servers and RAM Does this 4GB limit apply to Windows Server 2003 Enterprise version as well? I guess what I am asking is if I am running Server 2003 Enterprise, how much RAM can I get in the box and utilize with Citrix/Terminal Services? Is it just a clear cut definition of 4GB RAM limitation for Citrix/Terminal Services regardless of which operating system version you are using? I do understand what you are saying about ESX, but I am just looking for limits on non-virtualized environments. Thanks! On 10/8/07, Chad.M Schneider <Chad.M.Schneider@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > wrote: The limit still exists. Where you break that limit is going to a 64-bit OS. Another option is to put additional memory into a server, build it as an ESX host, and then build several Citrix servers on that host, each using the required amount of memory, under 4 GIG. >>> jon.e.luchette@xxxxxxxxx 10/8/2007 9:14 AM >>> How much RAM can a Citrix Presentation server support? I know that with Windows Server 2003 Standard I am limited to 4GB, but with Enterprise I can go up to 64GB. However, I read this article from Brian Madden: http://www.brianmadden.com/content/article/The-4GB-Windows-Memory-Limit-What -does-it-really-mean- and it sounds like there is a 2GB kernel memory limit regardless of which version of Windows 2003 Server you run and with Terminal Services, all users are affected by this kernel memory limit. Is that a fair statement? Without virtualizing, how much RAM can I realistically put in a Citrix server and take advantage of? Thanks guys! ************************************************ For Archives, RSS, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: //www.freelists.org/list/thin ************************************************