I think Heidi already posted for me, anyway, I put up one poor distant photo of the gull in the same frame as a ring billed, it is on the texbirds facebook page, this gull is interesting, I never got close to it until right at dark when it was roosting with the ring billeds, slightly larger than ringbilled, reletive narrow bill, couldnt make out bill color, will have to zoom in when I upload...dark above and below, light rump patch slight bit of lighter color on trailing wing edge I believe, but no white, i took 50 plus photos out over the lake and a couple with flash after dark at the roost... Sent from my iPadEdit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at //www.freelists.org/list/texbirds Reposting of traffic from TEXBIRDS is prohibited without seeking permission from the List Owner