[texbirds] Re: Reporting locations
- From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: custom_heirlooms@xxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 12:47:10 -0500
Well I reckon Jim said it well enough and there is a reason for not posting
locations whether the birding community considers it good or bad. There
have been many such occurrences. We sorta stopped posting a few things
like Yellow-green Vireos etc. in Port O'Connor given some unfortunate
happenings in a small community that is all eyeballs. There was a Redpoll
up in the DFW area that only a select few were able to see despite it being
a bird in Texas that many, including myself, have yet to see in the state,
(though I am not much of a chaser). There have been many such birds over
the years and the TBRC gets a good share of them, or at least once did...I
am befuddled as to why this is just not understood and accepted. There
is/was a bird in Austin that I am sure would be hounded to no end if its
presence were known at least by area birders. It is just the way it is.
As long as any TBRC review bird makes it to that committee we should all be
satisfied.....If it does not, then count me among the pissed as well [?]
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Brush Freeman
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http://texasnaturenotes.blogspot.com/
Finca Alacranes., Utley,Texas
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Jan Piecznski
<custom_heirlooms@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> I think everyone understands that sometimes an exact location cannot be
> provided. I'm sorry if I ruffle some feathers, that's not my intent. I
> have been birding since the late 70s in this area, I understand the other
> issues with the explosion in the interest of birds. Considering that birds
> fly, I don't think at least a town they were near is asking too much. But
> it is none of anyone's business the motives or reason, so be it.
> I thought the list had a rule that a location had to be provided and I
> don't think UTC is an appropriate location, that is too broad. It doesn't
> take much time to say near Quintana, Freeport, Galveston, High Island.
> Anyone remember the phone line of the Upper Texas Coast, then at least the
> town was given. In any case, I don't think everyone is demanding or
> wanting the exact GPS location in order to report a bird. Yes I have
> issues with giving exact locations unless I'm at a park. I feel saddened
> by not even a town provided until the bird most likely has left the area,
> when so many people over the years were and still are so generous with
> their knowledge to share and inspire others that lasts a lifetime. I think
> of all the time Don Richardson, Dr. Bird, Fred Collins, George Regmund and
> others spent teaching me birding and how inspiring Ron Weeks was when I
> just walked up to see a rare sighting that was a no show. Do we really
> need to be like
> Bostick in the Big Year or can we share information like so many others
> have? After all this, I'm not even interested in seeing it. I'll wait til
> I travel to it's normal range or catch it next time.
>
> My 2cents worth...
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Sinclair <jim.sinclair@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: texbirds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:48 AM
> Subject: [texbirds] Reporting locations of rare sightings
>
>
> I am not speaking for Mark (I have never even met him), and I have no back
> channel information regarding this particular issue of the Elegant Tern
> location.
> I fail to understand why some people seem to think that another birder has
> an obligation to publicly reveal the location of any particular sighting.
>
> There are a number of reasons why a location would not be revealed, and
> there is no obligation to even give a reason. The following list is by no
> means complete, but may help some folks better understand.
>
> The location is on private property, and the owner does not wish to have
> the location revealed, even if the bird can be seen from publicly
> accessible areas. The owner may wish to not be bombarded with phone calls
> and emails wanting to know if the bird is still there.
>
> The location is on public property, but in a vulnerable area where too much
> 'traffic' would probably drive it away. This is a biggie. There are
> numerous stories about how too much pressure on a localized area has driven
> the target bird away.
>
> Photographers, in particular, are often the biggest offenders in this
> category. Although most photographers are courteous, there are a few that
> simply MUST get a totally unobscured view from a close enough distance to
> photograph the lice on the bill - even when it means cutting away newly
> planted vegetation at Paradise Pond (crossing behind the yellow tape to do
> so), or running in front of everyone else to photograph the Purple
> Sandpiper, chasing it away, to never be seen again.
>
> I would also offer that it pay to be friendly and courteous with everyone.
> I have been privileged on occasion to be invited to come observe a bird on
> private property when that sighting was not otherwise reported until well
> after the fact. And I am not typically a rarity chaser.
>
> Conversely, through the years I have had the pleasure of guiding several
> hard core listers to pursue their particular target species, either for
> lifers or big year efforts. All but one of those experiences were quite
> positive and enjoyable.
>
> Bottom line: The discourteous actions of a very few do, indeed, influence
> whether sighting locations are reported.
>
> --
> Jim Sinclair (TX-ESA)
> TOS Life Member
> Kingsville, TX
>
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