If the TBRC or other record committees required proof positive of natural occurrence, there wouldn't be much of a need to vote on records like this where there is no obtainable proof. Instead, voting is done based upon gathering as much info concerning the species involved as well as data on the particular record to allow one to make an informed decision. Data is gathered to help answer questions like: Is the bird prone to vagrancy? How far from Texas does it naturally occur? Is the bird undergoing an expansion? How plausible is a human-assisted scenario? Is natural occurrence more likely or do I have some lingering questions about the bird's natural occurrence in the state? Voting members must essentially pick one of the other. The decision, as in the case, of "natural occurrence questionable" does not claim that we know positively that the bird's occurrence wasn't natural, it just means that the majority of the committee felt that there were significant open questions around this. This comes up on other records, like Gil's example of Yellow-faced Grassquit, or perhaps the Double-toothed Kite from a couple years ago. Obviously there was no proof positive in those cases either, but the outcome/majority vote on those was that natural occurrence was the the more likely scenario. It is an judgement call, but hopefully an informed one. We realize that others may come to different conclusions. --Eric Eric Carpenter Secretary, TBRC ecarpe@xxxxxxxxx On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Graham Floyd <spcgraham.floyd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I have no stake in this. Never had an interest in chasing the Tropical > Mockingbird. Having read the full report linked, I must ask this question: > Does requiring positive proof of a bird occurring naturally set a standard > that can never be met? > Graham Floyd, > San Antonio, TX > > > Edit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at > //www.freelists.org/list/texbirds > > Reposting of traffic from TEXBIRDS is prohibited without seeking permission > from the List Owner > > -- Eric Carpenter Austin Edit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at //www.freelists.org/list/texbirds Reposting of traffic from TEXBIRDS is prohibited without seeking permission from the List Owner