If you use waterproof boxes at the base for connections where they are accessible the problem goes away. The level of condensation is too high for exposed terminals, waterproof caps are an irrelevance. Mike Nixon has a good source. =20 Regards PW -----Original Message----- From: tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pat Gregory Sent: 22 November 2007 17:27 To: tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [TCUG] Re: Tall Poles At the risk of teaching to suck eggs etc. Surely it is incumbent on the specifier (i.e. local authority) to insist upon how and with what equipment is connected. As polecaps are not waterproof, only showerproof, surely your contractors should be specifying waterproof post caps as well! As long as the enclosure is electrically safe and well sealed, I would request that either DIN rail or standard terminals are used. As long as separation between ELV/LV is maintained, I can't see any benefit in a waterproof enclosure. Is there a history of equipment damage due to water ingress? If so I would look more closely at how well the equipment seals are maintained before going to the expense purchasing and installing IP enclosures (which will still prpbably be susceptible to condensation) Regards Pat Gregory Director Traffic and Transportation Services Ltd 74 Meadowside Eltham London SE9 6BB Tel/Fax: 0208 8505271 Mob: 07967 725039 =20 -----Original Message----- From: tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matthew Smith Sent: 22 November 2007 10:31 To: tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [TCUG] Tall Poles At site where we use tall poles I have previously used a small terminal pillar situated near to the base of the pole to terminate LV and ELV supplies at ground level. As this adds to our stock of street furniture I would like to try and utilise an enlarged base pole for the job. My problem is that I cannot find suitable poles which have enough space to accommodate the waterproof enclosures separating the LV / ELV supplies that our maintenance contractor insists upon. I have seen enlarged base poles in other areas that presumably get around this [problem?], some of which have two doors in the base. Can anyone either suggest a supplier or describe how they make off their connections (at ground level) to meet all the relevant standards without using another term cabinet. Thanks. Matt Smith. Assistant Engineer Engineering Design | Traffic Signals Leicestershire Highways Masmith(AT)leics.gov.uk _______________________________________________________________________ Leicestershire County Council - rated a 'four-star' council by the Audit Commission _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential. 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