[tcb] Re: [Suspected Spam] Re: Anyone out there wth a 1641 engine in a Westy?
- From: Mark Sawyer <mechmark@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:02:48 -0700 (PDT)
I wonder if you could use Vanagon brakes on a older bus. I have no problems at
all stopping a 5000 pound bus.
Will Wood <evilscientistboo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I know, I'm becoming a
collector in old parts. For the most part getting the complete setup is the
key. Drums, backing plates, wheel cylinders and shoes, $100.. Couldn't pass it
up and yup, I'll rebuild the wheel cylinders but the rest of it is in great
shape. I figure for the Barndoor it would work because of it's limited mileage.
I did price out some 356-A Fronts, but at $1200 for NOS drums, that's crazy.
I'll save my OG Barndoor fronts in case I ever decide to switch back.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Sammie Smith
>Sent: Jul 28, 2006 12:17 PM
>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [tcb] Re: [Suspected Spam] Re: Anyone out there wth a 1641 engine in
>a Westy?
>
>Speaking of a bazillion dollars. I thought that's what those P-wagen
>brakes cost. Have you priced replacement parts on those things. Just
>jealous. Would love to have a set of early 356 brakes for oval just for
>the old school cool. Used to be the way (in the 50s) to go to stop your
>hopped up VW. But the cost now. Outta sight baby. You think old VW parts
>are expensive. Talk to some early Porsche restorers.
>
>At 09:52 AM 7/28/2006, you wrote:
>>Humm, Aerodynamic qualities?
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_coefficient
>>
>>A smooth brick has a coefficient of 2.1, a VW Bus about .45...
>>
>>A bazillion dollars for disc brakes? Pishaw! Do your homework and your
>>shopping and
>>you can come out inexpensively. Frankly, since most of the braking effort
>>is on the front wheels
>>go with fronts first. If you have a Ball Joint Bus (68-up) spindles can
>>interchange from some years and
>>with a little bone yard hunting you can come up with a solution..
>>
>>Now, I've acquired a set of 356B brakes for my 54 Barndoor. Dual wheel
>>cylinders, Aluminum Drums (Steel inserts).... That's pimping. You
>>haven't lived until you've tried to stop a Barndoor with single front 22mm
>>wheel cylinders on a single circuit master.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Denis Dodson
>> >Sent: Jul 27, 2006 9:18 PM
>> >To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >Subject: [tcb] Re: [Suspected Spam] Re: Anyone out there wth a
>> 1641 engine in a Westy?
>> >
>> >Again, we are talking about going 75 MPH in a thing that has absolutely no
>> >aerodynamic qualities, and unless you spend a bazillion dollars for disk
>> >brakes, will not stop worth a f%#k and even if you spend all your money on
>> >brakes it will still roll in a sharp turn, or even gradual turns.
>> >
>> >Before I got a bus to fix up, I was wanting a 1956 Ford F-100. I would have
>> >dropped a Thunderbird 272 with a progressive Tri-Power and overdrive switch
>> >under the accelerator in it. It's what I had in High School. That car would
>> >actually lift a few inches and press you into your seat when you punched it
>> >and dropped a half a gear going 45. ( Later in life I used it for moving
>> >goats and carrying firewood). That was a go-fast.
>> >
>> >A Volkswagen bus is a Volkswagen bus. 80 tops.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Lonnie Bergman"
>> >To:
>> >Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 7:47 PM
>> >Subject: [tcb] Re: [Suspected Spam] Re: Anyone out there wth a 1641 engine
>> >in a Westy?
>> >
>> >
>> >> If anyone is serious about a corvair power train, let me know. I have a
>> >> guy
>> >> here trying to buy my buggy that has a buggy on a corvair chassis.
>> >> Complete
>> >> eng and auto tranny.
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>> >> Of Dan Martin
>> >> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 5:44 PM
>> >> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Subject: [tcb] [Suspected Spam] Re: Anyone out there wth a 1641 engine in
>> >> a
>> >> Westy?
>> >>
>> >> I think a cool running reliable 100 HP bay would be sweet!
>> >> This guy used a Powerglide:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.type2.com/library/enginem/corvair.htm
>> >>
>> >> I think a automatic transmission would be cool too, might as well run
>> >> a air conditioner and cruise control!
>> >> And Megasquirt!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Jul 27, 2006, at 5:33 PM, Bob Perring wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> A guy that does Corvair engine to VW vehicle conversions out in
>> >>> California is a ham radio buddy of mine. I have spoke to him about
>> >>> it, and he swears that the results are awesome.
>> >>>
>> >>> At 17:20 7/27/2006, you wrote:
>> >>>> Kennedy still makes adapters.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.kennedyeng.com/
>> >>>> index.htm
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Clarke's makes bay kits and you get the corvair trans.:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.corvair.com/user-cgi/catalog.cgi?
>> >>>> function=goto&catalog=SPECIALTY§ion=OTTO&page=OTTO-44
>> >>>>
>> >>>> There a couple guys on the type 2 list that run the conversion.
>> >>>> A friend of mine has 6 corvairs, He says corvair engines and parts
>> >>>> are not too hard to find.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Jul 27, 2006, at 4:17 PM, JKi7886155@xxxxxxx wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I have been reading, with interest, everyone's thoughts about
>> >>>>> engine size, performance options, etc. My two (2) beetles (one 74
>> >>>>> sedan and one 79 Super convertible) both have MoFoCo (Milwaukee)
>> >>>>> built 1776 cc "Streetwise" motors with mild cams, lightened
>> >>>>> flywheels and dual Webers. Both engines have hydraulic valve
>> >>>>> lifters and I couldn't be happier the way they perform around
>> >>>>> town or on the road. I normally cruise around 70 mph. At that
>> >>>>> speed, the VDO tachometer in my sedan reads around 4000 rpm.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Back in the late 60's and early 70' s I had a 61 Westy and one
>> >>>>> time I towed a fairly heavy trailer with two (2) motorcycles from
>> >>>>> Houston to Oklahoma, to camp with a friend. Uphill, on the
>> >>>>> freeways the original stock engine had all it could do to top
>> >>>>> hills at 25 mph. Drivers behind me nearly wore out their horns.
>> >>>>> After that trip I decided something had to change.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I picked up a Corvair 140 H.P. engine, bought a Crown conversion
>> >>>>> kit and made the engine swap. Suddenly, I could easily dust my
>> >>>>> friend's Porche at intersections but, the engine was screaming at
>> >>>>> 65-70 mph on the highway. I changed the rear end ratio and
>> >>>>> suddenly I could cruise right along with the new bay windows, in
>> >>>>> the 65-70 mph range and, it still had plenty of punch. The
>> >>>>> package proved to be very dependable,. but the steering at 70 mph
>> >>>>> was so quick it felt like driving a go-kart.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I sold the car to purchase my first house in around '73 but, now
>> >>>>> I sure wish I had kept it. If you want performance that's sure
>> >>>>> one way to get it, although 6 cylinder 140 H.P. Corvair engines,
>> >>>>> much less Crown adapters, are getting rare these days.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Jack
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> In a message dated 7/27/06 9:57:33 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> >>>>> mechmark@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>> >>>>> I agree that a Bus needs more torque, but horsepower is needed to
>> >>>>> maintain highway speeds. I have never had any problems with a
>> >>>>> 1641 running hot. I use the stock offset cooler and super cool
>> >>>>> tins and maintain 190 to 205 degree's in my 70 vert with the top
>> >>>>> down blocking the air coming off the top of the car. I'm not a
>> >>>>> big fan of dual carbs, my opinion is a good 2 barrel progressive
>> >>>>> is all you need. I had a 1641 in a 65 single cab with reduction
>> >>>>> boxes with the afore mentioned setup and routinely got 28 to 32 mpg.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Dan Martin wrote:
>> >>>>> I think what he is saying is for the minimal gain you get from
>> >>>>> increasing from stock to 1641, he thinks it would be better to
>> >>>>> install duel carbs and a header. The problem is, increasing
>> >>>>> displacement by increasing the bore will add horsepower, what a bus
>> >>>>> needs is more torque. To increase the torque of a VW engine the
>> >>>>> easiest way is to install a longer stroke crank. The cranks are
>> >>>>> expensive. Their use generates more heat. So most people add a oil
>> >>>>> cooler/fan and filter. I am afraid by the time I add duel carbs,
>> >>>>> header, stroker crank (why add a little stroke?), oil cooler and
>> >>>>> plumbing I will not be able stop the big heavy beast and I still
>> >>>>> will
>> >>>>> not be going fast enough to impress the kids in the high rev tuners.
>> >>>>> But at least I will get to buy a lot more gas.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Jul 27, 2006, at 8:48 AM, Trey Jung wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> > John Connolly sent me this as I was talking to him about a 1641
>> >>>>> > with the single Weber...
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > Thoughts?
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > Trey
>> >>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Connolly, Aircooled.Net"
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > To: "Trey Jung" ;
>> >>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 2:41 PM
>> >>>>> > Subject: Re: [T2] Anyone out there wth a 1641 engine in a Westy?
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >> http://www.aircooled.net/new-bin/viewproductdetail.php?
>> >>>>> >> keyword2=fsk0060
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> is a far better choice. The 30mm venturis will give more power
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> >> run
>> >>>>> >> cooler then the supplied 27mm venturis.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> Read about a bus install at
>> >>>>> >> http://waitresses.servebeer.com:81/vwpage/35pdsit/35pdsit.htm
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> John
>> >>>>> >> Aircooled.Net Inc.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >>
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