[tcb] Re: I'm thoroughly bummed... the 23 won't be at Nac
- From: James Dwan <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:08:19 -0700 (PDT)
So I have 2 bad solenoids on 2 different starters, or I have resistance between
the ignition switch and my solenoid?
James
DAC
TCB
'59 23 Window Deluxe
'73/'77 Westfakia
'78 Super Vert
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From: w.wood <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx>
To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 1:46 PM
Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm thoroughly bummed... the 23 won't be at Nac
you want one of these then.
http://www.smithcoelectric.com/servlet/the-465/0331302001-0331302002-0331302004-0331302005/Detail ;
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 1:32 PM, James Dwan <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yep that's what I call cross starting it. I tried that before I checked the
bushing. Just sparks and a click
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>James
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>DAC
>TCB
>'59 23 Window Deluxe
>'73/'77 Westfakia
>'78 Super Vert
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> From: w.wood <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 1:13 PM
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>Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm thoroughly bummed... the 23 won't be at Nac
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>Have you done the screwdriver test?
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>even with the key off, bus in neutral the starter should engage and spin. If
>it doesn't replace the solenoid on the starter.
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>On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 12:35 PM, James Dwan <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>I tried cross starting it. Just a click like when turning the key. So it's
>gotta be electrical since it happens with both starters
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>>James
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>>DAC
>>TCB
>>'59 23 Window Deluxe
>>'73/'77 Westfakia
>>'78 Super Vert
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>> From: w.wood <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx>
>>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 12:25 PM
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>>Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm thoroughly bummed... the 23 won't be at Nac
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>>Well, Rancho would know best however I do know that later bug transaxles
>>became much cheaper in their construction for example, the single side cover
>>(not suitable for a bus with redux boxes) and the reverse gear retainer being
>>only held in by a pin where the previous versions were caged. All of this
>>goes to how reliable the box is. VW did lots of crazy stuff and mixed and
>>matched parts depending upon availability too. But I've never heard of a
>>transaxle vw made without a bushing, maybe in the 40s? I dunno but Rancho
>>would know best. Actually I trusted a guy name Don Strong who ran "Der
>>Transaxle" in cali for years but he's long since departed this mortal coil.
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>>Ever have a late model bug that wouldn't shift into reverse? I did
>>)(*!@#)(*!@# Pins!!!!
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>>Now insofar as bushings are concerned, If you want to maintain the use of
>>stock bushings you can take any transaxle and fix the problem you're having,
>>one year or not. All it takes is a reamer and the right size bushing ... ;-)
>> Don't have a right size bushing? Get friends with lathes... aka "My Dad's a
>>TV repairman he has a bitchen set of tools."
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>>Anyway, if the bushing is holding in and you greased the shaft prior to
>>installation, the problem isn't the bushing it's an electrical problem and if
>>you're not too afraid to do it you can always use a remote starter switch
>>(autozoo) or use the old screwdriver method and short the + lead from the
>>battery to the spade lug contact. You'll get a spark or two so wear eye
>>protection or close your eyes. If that works, your problem is lack of
>>current so go with the relay (extra solenoid switch)
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>>Also try the hammer method.. hit the solenoid on the starter with a hammer
>>lightly and then try. If it starts then the solenoid is failing.
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>>On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 12:11 PM, James Dwan <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx>
>>wrote:
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>>Don't get me lying. All I know is it has a 12v bushing size hole in the bell
>>housing, but if I remember correctly it is all one unit. Not removable like
>>my late model Bus tranny.
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>>>If I remember correctly, someone at Rancho told me that only 1967 was a 12v
>>>and earlier ones were 6v? this was 2 years ago, but the jist was of all the
>>>big nut trannys there was only one year when they made the hole this size.
>>>Wanna buy it? : )
>>>
>>>James
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>>>
>>>DAC
>>>TCB
>>>'59 23 Window Deluxe
>>>'73/'77 Westfakia
>>>'78 Super Vert
>>>
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>>>________________________________
>>> From: w.wood <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 12:03 PM
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>>>Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm thoroughly bummed... the 23 won't be at Nac
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>>>One year only 12V tranny? Would this be a late model bug center section?
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>>>On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:38 AM, James Dwan <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>wrote:
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>>>I assume the flywheel is 12v since it is a one year only 12v tranny, hence
>>>my extreme irritation withn one individual in Ennis...
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>>>>James
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>>>>
>>>>DAC
>>>>TCB
>>>>'59 23 Window Deluxe
>>>>'73/'77 Westfakia
>>>>'78 Super Vert
>>>>
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>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: Denis <coocoo@xxxxxxx>
>>>>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:29 AM
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>>>>Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm thoroughly bummed... the 23 won't be at Nac
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>>>>Change 6V stuff to 12V. OK, vintage. Got it. you might still want to look
into a starter for an automatic. But wait. Do you still have a 6V flywheel?
Never mind. I don’t think I could keep a true vintage bus on the road.
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>>>>From: James Dwan
>>>>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:25 AM
>>>>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm thoroughly bummed... the 23 won't be at
Nac
>>>> I want to keep the Bus a stock as possible so I went 6v. Change out
what?
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>>>>James
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>>>>
>>>>DAC
>>>>TCB
>>>>'59 23 Window Deluxe
>>>>'73/'77 Westfakia
>>>>'78 Super
Vert
>>>>
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>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: Denis
<coocoo@xxxxxxx>
>>>>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:08 AM
>>>>Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm thoroughly bummed...
the 23 won't be at Nac
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>>>>Why not 12V? Do you not have to change out with 8V?
>>>>From: James Dwan
>>>>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 10:59 AM
>>>>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm thoroughly bummed... the 23 won't be at
Nac
>>>> I agree. I was having trouble starting it when I first got it (it was
the bushing) so I opted for an 8V. The 8v battery has more cranking amps
and I want my lights to be as bright as possible.
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>DAC
>>>>TCB
>>>>'59 23 Window Deluxe
>>>>'73/'77 Westfakia
>>>>'78 Super
Vert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: Denis
<coocoo@xxxxxxx>
>>>>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 10:54 AM
>>>>Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm thoroughly bummed...
the 23 won't be at Nac
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>>>>Well, I’ll put this out there, although I don’t know if it applies. I was
>>>>dealing with the whole starter bushing thing until someone told me to use a
>>>> starter for an automatic transmission. I fits and works and does not need
>>>>a bushing. I think your problem sounds completely electrical, since you
>>>>say that your starter won’t spin. My two cents.
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>>>>Oh, and why an 8V battery? I never even heard of that.
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>>>>From: James Dwan
>>>>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 10:01 AM
>>>>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm thoroughly bummed... the 23 won't be at
Nac
>>>> '59
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>>>>James
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>>>>
>>>>DAC
>>>>TCB
>>>>'59 23 Window Deluxe
>>>>'73/'77 Westfakia
>>>>'78 Super
Vert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: Denis
<coocoo@xxxxxxx>
>>>>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 8:24 AM
>>>>Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm thoroughly bummed...
the 23 won't be at Nac
>>>>
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>>>>What year is your 23?
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>>>>From: James Dwan
>>>>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 8:11 AM
>>>>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: [tcb] I'm thoroughly bummed... the 23 won't be at
Nac
>>>> It started last weekend and has now gotten worse. I had to get push
started out of a tire shop on Saturday and
>>>>I thought I'd had it fixed yesterday but had to get push started out of a
show.
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>>>>The starter won't turn. I removed the starter and figured the bushing was
the problem again. The bushing came out with the starter. I put another one in
and still nothing, I put in the old starter and after 5 attempts is started
fine. Now nothing. Robb has suggested soldering the ends of the wires to get a
good contact through the screw terminals on the ignition switch and headlight
switch. I'm gonna try that tonight.
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>>>>I am wondering if it is possible the 8v battery is wreaking havoc with the
6v switches? Has anyone had a bushing come out with the starter? I never had
and
am concerned about that as well.
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>DAC
>>>>TCB
>>>>'59 23 Window Deluxe
>>>>'73/'77 Westfakia
>>>>'78 Super
Vert
>>>>
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