Its darren harris who keeps posting all the time on here the guy is a bloody nuisance David Boden wrote: > Well said Scott. > I've only been on this list for a few days and I'm on the verge of leaving > it already for the reasons you imply. > I got another 50 or 60 messages to wade through and I'm losing the will to > live. > I think the moderator needs moderating. > David > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott C" <castledine10@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "Talks List Talks List" <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 12:59 AM > Subject: [talks-uk] gees, gees, bloody gees? >> Guys I'm all for a good debate but? >> >> But? >> >> gees shut up would you? >> >> This isn't aimed at anyone individually it's at the whole subject. >> >> I'm sick of it your all just making the same points over and over and >> filling my in box at the same time. >> >> As cilla used to say, >> Time for a quick reminder from our Graham. >> >> And as I'm shore she didn't ever say? >> >> Shut the hell up. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Eleanor Burke - Email Address: eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Sent On: 28/09/2009 00:10 >> Sent To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Email Address: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... >> >> -original message- >> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... >> From: "Alex Stone" <alex.stone@xxxxxxxxx> >> Date: 27/09/2009 8:41 pm >> >> Freedom Scientific do offer support in the US they just choose not to in >> other countries.I have to say that you are wrong Alex. I had total support >> fromFreedom Scientificon Thursday and this was direct to US on telephone >> through a third party. I was part of the discussion. >> Cheers >> Alex >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Matt Brown" <matthew_brown@xxxxxxx> >> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:24 PM >> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... >> >>> Yes but Neil you said it yourself! You're a dealer and you're offering >>> support! A company like Freedom Scientific is a manufacturer and they >>> don't offer support. Sight And Sound offers support, not Freedom >>> Scientific. >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 2:50 PM >>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... >>> >>>> Darren, >>>> >>>> You fail to answer my question though, you ask well it comes down to how >>>> much the dealer charges, how much do you feel is too much. >>>> >>>> For TalkNav every hour on the phone for support costs us, and I mean >>>> costs >>>> us, about £20, not to mention when we're supporting we're not selling, >>>> which >>>> is another cost, the cost of not selling... >>>> >>>> How much do you feel a dealer is allowed to make? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---Neil Barnfather >>>> TalkNav >>>> >>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized >>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes >>>> delivered >>>> direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today? >>>> >>>> www.talknav.com >>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com >>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 >>>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris >>>> Sent: 27 September 2009 14:40 >>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - >>>> TalkNav >>>> Sent: 27 September 2009 14:30 >>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... >>>> >>>> >>>> Darren, >>>> >>>> For someone who studied economics and business finance you seem to have >>>> a lack of understanding of it; >>>> >>>> All products have a cost of development, then a cost to bring them to >>>> market, add to which dealer margins etc, most products are made up on >>>> one of two models; >>>> >>>> One third materials, one third labour and the other third profit. >>>> >>>> Is that a 0 on each third? >>>> Or >>>> >>>> Costs of goods times 4 which accounts for sub-dealers, primary dealers >>>> or distribution channels, marketing etc. >>>> So then it boils down to how much the dealers will charge for their >>>> services doesn't it. >>>> >>>> I ask you this how much profit is too much? £50, £20, £1000? Where do we >>>> draw the line, how much does someone make on a Mercedes? How much does >>>> someone make on a casio watch? >>>> >>>> The point is that there's tons of cars people can buy out there. Also >>>> you can choose not to have a car. A blind person cannot choose not to >>>> have a screen reader. Poor argument. >>>> Let me tell you, the profit on a Mercedes is 6% yet the profit on a >>>> Casio watch is about 24%, this was from figures in the economist last >>>> year, now if I'd have asked you which was the biggest rip off, you'd >>>> have said the car, yet clearly not so. >>>> >>>> So how much profit if you know all the answers is too much for FS to >>>> have. >>>> >>>> Just because GW can afford to give credit what inside knowledge of FS >>>> accounts and practices do you have which enables you to state that they >>>> can for sure offer credit? That's right, you have no idea as to whether >>>> or not FS are able to offer it, maybe they don't have the funds in the >>>> bank, maybe they do, maybe their share holders won't allow it, maybe >>>> their morally bankrupt, maybe just GW is desperate for the business so >>>> they'll do anything for it. Who knows. >>>> >>>> Well if they're that bad off and need the business they've certainly >>>> found a good way of getting it don't you think? >>>> All I'm trying to do here is stimulate the debate a little rather than >>>> FS bash... >>>> >>>> You seem to far too easily be merging the distinction between a charity >>>> status, and a company here to make a profit. No-one's said FS doesn't >>>> necessarily make a big profit, but so do very many companies, your >>>> Father works for Indisit, an essential product the humble washing >>>> machine, how much profit do they make per unit? No doubt the CEO of >>>> Indisit doesn't travel about in a Scoda, and I don't see you bitching >>>> about that. >>>> Again the point is, that there's various type of machine out there that >>>> you can get. Ranging from £200 upwards. Is it that wide ranging with >>>> screen readers? No. >>>> >>>> FS nor any of the access companies are here for our benefit, they're >>>> here as this is a market opportunity for them. >>>> No, they are here to serve. They are tools for us to make use of. >>>> Nothing more or less. If they don't serve then they go. It's as simple >>>> as that. >>>> >>>> You can either buy their stuff or not, but for goodness sake shut up >>>> about the fact that you don't like the way they do things, we all get >>>> it, Darren doesn't like FS, he thinks KNFB Reader is overpriced, but to >>>> be honest, that's just your view, and perhaps the majorities view, but >>>> it's not compulsory for you to buy from them is it? >>>> No, but it's a fact that cannot be denied whether you like it or not. >>>> >>>> There are thank goodness choices out there. >>>> Are there? Do we choose not to have a screen reader? No. so what >>>> happens. A high price is slapped on the obvious solution. Sorry but >>>> again the argument is flawed. >>>> Just like in practically all markets, choice exists and the market >>>> dictates, get off your soap box on this list about it please. >>>> No. >>>> >>>> >>>> ---Neil Barnfather >>>> TalkNav >>>> >>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized >>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes >>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today? >>>> >>>> www.talknav.com >>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com >>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 >>>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris >>>> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:31 >>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... >>>> >>>> Well in this case we are I'm afraid to say. I've said it before, I'll >>>> say it again. If the companies in question reduced their prices or even >>>> gave more affordable options for people to pay then more people would >>>> pay for said products. It's only their own stupidity that keeps the >>>> market small. There's tons of people out there who may want a jaws >>>> payment plan but does it exist? No. so where do they go, to gw micro. >>>> And why is this, because the fools at freedom scientific only see what's >>>> coming in now not what will come in if they made their products more >>>> affordable to their customer base both currant and future. It's simple >>>> mathematics. If you can't afford 800 quid in 1 hit but can pay another >>>> company who produces and equivalent product at the same price 80 quid >>>> for 10 months not including interest what is that person more likely to >>>> go for? Assuming they're willing to pay that extra amount of interest on >>>> top. The point is that the option isn't there. If it was, then I think >>>> you'd find less people wining and bitching about it because it could be >>>> more affordable. Again, we're right, everybody else is wrong. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - >>>> TalkNav >>>> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:23 >>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... >>>> >>>> >>>> And just why is that, just because more are for than against, doesn't >>>> mean that the majority are right. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---Neil Barnfather >>>> TalkNav >>>> >>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized >>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes >>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today? >>>> >>>> www.talknav.com >>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com >>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 >>>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris >>>> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:19 >>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... >>>> >>>> So? The majority of people don't have to spend 700 quid plus just to >>>> make a computer work for them so it balances out IMO. Yes if you got a >>>> job that's totally cool and all that and power to anybody that has. But >>>> even for those in employment it's still expensive, prohibitibely so. >>>> Sorry neil but this is an argument you just aren't going to win here. >>>> There are more against this than are for it whether people like it or >>>> not. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - >>>> TalkNav >>>> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:14 >>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... >>>> >>>> >>>> Low incomes, do you know with DLA< SDA, Income support, housing benefit >>>> and council tax relief that the equivalents salary to a tax payer is >>>> more or less like £20,000 per year and if not more... >>>> >>>> Get over yourself. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---Neil Barnfather >>>> TalkNav >>>> >>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized >>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes >>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today? >>>> >>>> www.talknav.com >>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com >>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 >>>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>>> On Behalf Of Matt Brown >>>> Sent: 27 September 2009 11:56 >>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... >>>> >>>> Problem is Freedom scientific wants all its money and it wants it now! >>>> got >>>> to keep paying those fuel bills and green taxes on the private jet don't >>>> you >>>> >>>> know? >>>> >>>> I do think its disgusting that these companies won't even offer a >>>> payment >>>> plan so blind people on low incomes can spread payment, but as far as I >>>> know >>>> >>>> GW Micro is the only company that offers something like that. >>>> >>>> Freedom Scientific never have that's for sure. >>>> >>>> I don't know if the situation has changed, but in point of fact, I think >>>> we >>>> here in Britain pay a huge amount more for Jaws than Americans do, and >>>> that's also disgusting! >>>> >>>> Matt >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:30 AM >>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... >>>> >>>>> Neil, >>>>> >>>>> Gw micro offer very successfully I might add a payment plan for >>>>> windoweyes. What they do is every 30 days you renew the licence of >>>>> windoweyes for what ever the amount is I have no idea, so it breaks >>>>> the cost down for the individual. >>>>> >>>>> It can be done. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - >>>>> TalkNav >>>>> Sent: 27 September 2009 11:22 >>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Darren, >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps there marketing point is to keep exclusivity? You're assuming >>>>> they want to sell it... >>>>> >>>>> Just another slant, you seem to forget just how much research and >>>>> development actually costs. >>>>> >>>>> When you're developing and researching, but you're going to sell your >>>>> en product to millions, then it's likely your end price is lower, when >>>> >>>>> you're selling to small r groups then your price is higher. >>>>> >>>>> Gosh I thought you did economics, prices for accessibility technology >>>>> is high, higher than I'd like, but do you want access companies to >>>>> magic research and development which costs millions out of fin air? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---Neil Barnfather >>>>> TalkNav >>>>> >>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized >>>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes >>>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today? >>>>> >>>>> www.talknav.com >>>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com >>>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 >>>>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>>>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris >>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 20:38 >>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... >>>>> >>>>> It's simple logic. If you can't afford it because the kids come first >>>>> then so be it. It wouldn't be as bad if like gw micro they offered a >>>>> payment plan. They don't. unless you get the n82 and talks as a bundle >>>> >>>>> but if you already got a phone then why go down that road so where's >>>>> the flexibility in that? Sorry but 600 quid is way too much for the >>>>> majority of people to shell out on and it's stupid to expect a ton of >>>>> people to buy it. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Dryden >>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 20:33 >>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My god, what an archaic attitude! With that, we'd all be in the >>>>> ghettos! I mean, before we had computers with speech, we had manual >>>>> typewriters, blind people did ok then as well! In fact, what's the >>>>> point of progression anyway? Haha, not starting an argument, just >>>>> putting my point over! >>>> To >>>>> be >>>>> honest, yes, KNF is a bit expensive but as with most of this type of >>>>> technology, it's all expensive because of the R & D. And, sorry, you >>>>> just can't get away from it. >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:01 PM >>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Well like I've said before, take a family of 4, 1 or both parents are >>>> >>>>>> blind and both have phones. So who goes without if they can either >>>>>> afford ecentials for the kids or a little programme which is at a >>>>>> ripoff price and quite a few people in prominent potisions just >>>>>> wouldn't recommend it for the price. It's way to much money for what >>>>>> it is. I mean what's the hastle in taking something to your desktop >>>>>> scanner and getting it to read that? Ok it may not be able to do tins >>>> >>>>>> and the like bla bla bla but being honest blind people have coped >>>>>> without that for years so why worry about it now >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DurDevil >>>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 18:01 >>>>>> To: Talks-Uk Email group >>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] FW: Re: Any more news... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi neil. I agree that we dont want to start a arguement but if it was >>>> >>>>>> slightly more affordable then it would reach more customers and now >>>>>> the main idea has been developed it surely could come down in price. >>>>>> Jaws for a pc is expensive and Talks for mobiles puts similar >>>>>> functionality into peoples pockets but if Nuance expected pricing >>>>>> like >>>>> >>>>>> FS it would not reach as many people. These programs are worth their >>>>>> weight to blind people but just think of how many peoples lives could >>>> >>>>>> be improved if it was all more affordable. Cheers. Pete >>>>>> >>>>>> -original message- >>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... >>>>>> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>> Date: 25/09/2009 5:47 pm >>>>>> >>>>>> Darren, >>>>>> >>>>>> KNFB Mobile Reader is I'm afraid well worth the price, I don't want >>>>>> to >>>>> >>>>>> get into a shouting match about this, but when you consider the cost >>>>>> of Kertzvil standard PC software and a scanner, verse that of a phone >>>> >>>>>> which can go with you anywhere and read odd shaped products it's well >>>> >>>>>> worth every penny. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---Neil Barnfather >>>>>> TalkNav >>>>>> >>>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized >>>>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes >>>>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today? >>>>>> >>>>>> www.talknav.com >>>>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com >>>>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 >>>>>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>>>>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris >>>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 16:17 >>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... >>>>>> >>>>>> Lol with 3 letters gone are they going to reduce the price as well to >>>> >>>>>> make it worth buying? >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns >>>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 16:16 >>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Neil >>>>>> >>>>>> K-Reader is now known officially as the software that used to be >>>>>> called K-NFB Reader, least that's my understanding. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jackie Cairns >>>>>> Braille Specialist >>>>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> Sight and Sound Technology Ltd >>>>>> Welton House North Wing >>>>>> Summerhouse Road >>>>>> Moulton Park >>>>>> Northampton >>>>>> NN3 6WD >>>>>> Tel: 01604 798024 >>>>>> Mob: 07887 883815 >>>>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - >>>> >>>>>> TalkNav >>>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 14:07 >>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... >>>>>> >>>>>> Jackie, >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you mean K Reader or KNFB Reader, they are two different products? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---Neil Barnfather >>>>>> TalkNav >>>>>> >>>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized >>>>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes >>>>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today? >>>>>> >>>>>> www.talknav.com >>>>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com >>>>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 >>>>>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>>>>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns >>>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 13:39 >>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> I now have the K-Reader on my N86, and will run it alongside my work >>>>>> N82 at the weekend for a comparison. I love the N86's chunky feel, >>>>>> and the buttons are so much more tactile all round than the N82. >>>>>> Often, customers struggle with the Talks/Menu button on the N82, and >>>>>> the soft key positions. They shouldn't experience the same issues >>>>>> with the N86 as the buttons are so nicely spaced out. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've tried the FM transmitter, and this works a treat if you keep the >>>> >>>>>> phone fairly close to the radio or system you are putting it through. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm looking forward to spending more time with it and the N82 this >>>>>> weekend. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jackie Cairns >>>>>> Braille Specialist >>>>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology >>>>>> Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park Northampton >>>> >>>>>> NN3 6WD >>>>>> Tel: 01604 798024 >>>>>> Mob: 07887 883815 >>>>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt >>>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 11:48 >>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Jackie, >>>>>> >>>>>> The processor is faster in the N86 than either phone, the camera is >>>>>> obviously better, and if you have tried KNFB Reader on it, you would >>>>>> see that it is miles faster than the N82. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is a little heavy in my view, but the butoons on it are just as >>>>>> nice as the N82, if not a bit wider. >>>>>> >>>>>> An all-round good phone, and the battery life is even better than the >>>> >>>>>> N82 in my experience. >>>>>> >>>>>> The N79 is pretty good, but it doesn't have the 8MP camera which >>>>>> helps >>>>> >>>>>> KNFB, and KNFB won't let you run it on the N79, I think they are just >>>> >>>>>> being paranoid and will have to do something soon, because TextScout >>>>>> is excellent on it. >>>>>> >>>>>> All the best >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>>>>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns >>>>>> Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:45 >>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> So you've got the N86? What do you love about it, and how do you >>>>>> think it compares to the N82 and N79? Really interested in what you >>>>>> have to say. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jackie Cairns >>>>>> Braille Specialist >>>>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology >>>>>> Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park Northampton >>>> >>>>>> NN3 6WD >>>>>> Tel: 01604 798024 >>>>>> Mob: 07887 883815 >>>>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt >>>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 11:20 >>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Matt, >>>>>> >>>>>> No news yet. But I love my N86. >>>>>> >>>>>> All the best >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>>>>> On Behalf Of Matt Brown >>>>>> Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:08 >>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Any more news... >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, is there any more news about N97 and Talks? I'm getting to a >>>>>> point >>>>> >>>>>> where >>>>>> >>>>>> I really have to make a decision, N86 or N97! 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