[talks-uk] Re: gees, gees, bloody gees?

  • From: "Barry Toner" <barry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <boden@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:50:06 +0100

Ok this thread ends now,

The thread that started this debate ends now.

Barry toner
Talks Uk moderator 

-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Angela McTigue
Sent: 29 September 2009 19:32
To: boden@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: gees, gees, bloody gees?

Its darren harris who keeps posting all the time on here the guy is a bloody
nuisance

David Boden wrote: 
> Well said Scott.
> I've only been on this list for a few days and I'm on the verge of 
> leaving it already for the reasons you imply.
> I got another 50 or 60 messages to wade through and I'm losing the 
> will to live.
> I think the moderator needs moderating.
> David
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott C" <castledine10@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Talks List Talks List" <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 12:59 AM
> Subject: [talks-uk] gees, gees, bloody gees?
>> Guys I'm all for a good debate but?
>>
>> But?
>>
>> gees shut up would you?
>>
>> This isn't aimed at anyone individually it's at the whole subject.
>>
>> I'm sick of it your all just making the same points over and over and 
>> filling my in box at the same time.
>>
>> As cilla used to say,
>> Time for a quick reminder from our Graham.
>>
>> And as I'm shore she didn't ever say?
>>
>> Shut the hell up.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Eleanor Burke - Email Address: eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent 
>> On: 28/09/2009 00:10 Sent To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Email Address: 
>> talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>> -original message-
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>> From: "Alex Stone" <alex.stone@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: 27/09/2009 8:41 pm
>>
>> Freedom Scientific do offer support in the US they just choose not to 
>> in other countries.I have to say that you are wrong Alex. I had total 
>> support fromFreedom Scientificon Thursday and this was direct to US 
>> on telephone through a third party. I was part of the discussion.
>> Cheers
>> Alex
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Matt Brown" <matthew_brown@xxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:24 PM
>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>> Yes but Neil you said it yourself! You're a dealer and you're 
>>> offering support! A company like Freedom Scientific is a 
>>> manufacturer and they don't offer support. Sight And Sound offers 
>>> support, not Freedom Scientific.
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 2:50 PM
>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>>> Darren,
>>>>
>>>> You fail to answer my question though, you ask well it comes down 
>>>> to how much the dealer charges, how much do you feel is too much.
>>>>
>>>> For TalkNav every hour on the phone for support costs us, and I 
>>>> mean costs us, about £20, not to mention when we're supporting 
>>>> we're not selling, which is another cost, the cost of not 
>>>> selling...
>>>>
>>>> How much do you feel a dealer is allowed to make?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---Neil Barnfather
>>>> TalkNav
>>>>
>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized 
>>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes 
>>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>>>
>>>> www.talknav.com
>>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 Telephone outside the UK: +44 
>>>> 161 277 7997
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>>>> Sent: 27 September 2009 14:40
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather 
>>>> - TalkNav
>>>> Sent: 27 September 2009 14:30
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Darren,
>>>>
>>>> For someone who studied economics and business finance you seem to 
>>>> have a lack of understanding of it;
>>>>
>>>> All products have a cost of development, then a cost to bring them 
>>>> to market, add to which dealer margins etc, most products are made 
>>>> up on one of two models;
>>>>
>>>> One third materials, one third labour and the other third profit.
>>>>
>>>> Is that a 0 on each third?
>>>> Or
>>>>
>>>> Costs of goods times 4 which accounts for sub-dealers, primary 
>>>> dealers or distribution channels, marketing etc.
>>>> So then it boils down to how much the dealers will charge for their 
>>>> services doesn't it.
>>>>
>>>> I ask you this how much profit is too much? £50, £20, £1000? Where 
>>>> do we draw the line, how much does someone make on a Mercedes? How 
>>>> much does someone make on a casio watch?
>>>>
>>>> The point is that there's tons of cars people can buy out there. 
>>>> Also you can choose not to have a car. A blind person cannot choose 
>>>> not to have a screen reader. Poor argument.
>>>> Let me tell you, the profit on a Mercedes is 6% yet the profit on a 
>>>> Casio watch is about 24%, this was from figures in the economist 
>>>> last year, now if I'd have asked you which was the biggest rip off, 
>>>> you'd have said the car, yet clearly not so.
>>>>
>>>> So how much profit if you know all the answers is too much for FS 
>>>> to have.
>>>>
>>>> Just because GW can afford to give credit what inside knowledge of 
>>>> FS accounts and practices do you have which enables you to state 
>>>> that they can for sure offer credit? That's right, you have no idea 
>>>> as to whether or not FS are able to offer it, maybe they don't have 
>>>> the funds in the bank, maybe they do, maybe their share holders 
>>>> won't allow it, maybe their morally bankrupt, maybe just GW is 
>>>> desperate for the business so they'll do anything for it. Who knows.
>>>>
>>>> Well if they're that bad off and need the business they've 
>>>> certainly found a good way of getting it don't you think?
>>>> All I'm trying to do here is stimulate the debate a little rather 
>>>> than FS bash...
>>>>
>>>> You seem to far too easily be merging the distinction between a 
>>>> charity status, and a company here to make a profit. No-one's said 
>>>> FS doesn't necessarily make a big profit, but so do very many 
>>>> companies, your Father works for Indisit, an essential product the 
>>>> humble washing machine, how much profit do they make per unit? No 
>>>> doubt the CEO of Indisit doesn't travel about in a Scoda, and I 
>>>> don't see you bitching about that.
>>>> Again the point is, that there's various type of machine out there 
>>>> that you can get. Ranging from £200 upwards. Is it that wide 
>>>> ranging with screen readers? No.
>>>>
>>>> FS nor any of the access companies are here for our benefit, 
>>>> they're here as this is a market opportunity for them.
>>>> No, they are here to serve. They are tools for us to make use of.
>>>> Nothing more or less. If they don't serve then they go. It's as 
>>>> simple as that.
>>>>
>>>> You can either buy their stuff or not, but for goodness sake shut 
>>>> up about the fact that you don't like the way they do things, we 
>>>> all get it, Darren doesn't like FS, he thinks KNFB Reader is 
>>>> overpriced, but to be honest, that's just your view, and perhaps 
>>>> the majorities view, but it's not compulsory for you to buy from them
is it?
>>>> No, but it's a fact that cannot be denied whether you like it or not.
>>>>
>>>> There are thank goodness choices out there.
>>>> Are there? Do we choose not to have a screen reader? No. so what 
>>>> happens. A high price is slapped on the obvious solution. Sorry but 
>>>> again the argument is flawed.
>>>> Just like in practically all markets, choice exists and the market 
>>>> dictates, get off your soap box on this list about it please.
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---Neil Barnfather
>>>> TalkNav
>>>>
>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized 
>>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes 
>>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>>>
>>>> www.talknav.com
>>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 Telephone outside the UK: +44 
>>>> 161 277 7997
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>>>> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:31
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>> Well in this case we are I'm afraid to say. I've said it before, 
>>>> I'll say it again. If the companies in question reduced their 
>>>> prices or even gave more affordable options for people to pay then 
>>>> more people would pay for said products. It's only their own 
>>>> stupidity that keeps the market small. There's tons of people out 
>>>> there who may want a jaws payment plan but does it exist? No. so where
do they go, to gw micro.
>>>> And why is this, because the fools at freedom scientific only see 
>>>> what's coming in now not what will come in if they made their 
>>>> products more affordable to their customer base both currant and 
>>>> future. It's simple mathematics. If you can't afford 800 quid in 1 
>>>> hit but can pay another company who produces and equivalent product 
>>>> at the same price 80 quid for 10 months not including interest what 
>>>> is that person more likely to go for? Assuming they're willing to 
>>>> pay that extra amount of interest on top. The point is that the 
>>>> option isn't there. If it was, then I think you'd find less people 
>>>> wining and bitching about it because it could be more affordable.
Again, we're right, everybody else is wrong.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather 
>>>> - TalkNav
>>>> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:23
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And just why is that, just because more are for than against, 
>>>> doesn't mean that the majority are right.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---Neil Barnfather
>>>> TalkNav
>>>>
>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized 
>>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes 
>>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>>>
>>>> www.talknav.com
>>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 Telephone outside the UK: +44 
>>>> 161 277 7997
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>>>> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:19
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>> So? The majority of people don't have to spend 700 quid plus just 
>>>> to make a computer work for them so it balances out IMO. Yes if you 
>>>> got a job that's totally cool and all that and power to anybody 
>>>> that has. But even for those in employment it's still expensive,
prohibitibely so.
>>>> Sorry neil but this is an argument you just aren't going to win here.
>>>> There are more against this than are for it whether people like it 
>>>> or not.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather 
>>>> - TalkNav
>>>> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:14
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Low incomes, do you know with DLA< SDA, Income support, housing 
>>>> benefit and council tax relief that the equivalents salary to a tax 
>>>> payer is more or less like £20,000 per year and if not more...
>>>>
>>>> Get over yourself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---Neil Barnfather
>>>> TalkNav
>>>>
>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized 
>>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes 
>>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>>>
>>>> www.talknav.com
>>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 Telephone outside the UK: +44 
>>>> 161 277 7997
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> On Behalf Of Matt Brown
>>>> Sent: 27 September 2009 11:56
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>> Problem is Freedom scientific wants all its money and it wants it now!
>>>> got
>>>> to keep paying those fuel bills and green taxes on the private jet 
>>>> don't you
>>>>
>>>> know?
>>>>
>>>> I do think its disgusting that these companies won't even offer a 
>>>> payment plan so blind people on low incomes can spread payment, but 
>>>> as far as I know
>>>>
>>>> GW Micro is the only company that offers something like that.
>>>>
>>>> Freedom Scientific never have that's for sure.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if the situation has changed, but in point of fact, I 
>>>> think we here in Britain pay a huge amount more for Jaws than 
>>>> Americans do, and that's also disgusting!
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:30 AM
>>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>>> Neil,
>>>>>
>>>>> Gw micro offer very successfully I might add a payment plan for 
>>>>> windoweyes. What they do is every 30 days you renew the licence of 
>>>>> windoweyes for what ever the amount is I have no idea, so it 
>>>>> breaks the cost down for the individual.
>>>>>
>>>>> It can be done.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil 
>>>>> Barnfather - TalkNav
>>>>> Sent: 27 September 2009 11:22
>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Darren,
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps there marketing point is to keep exclusivity? You're 
>>>>> assuming they want to sell it...
>>>>>
>>>>> Just another slant, you seem to forget just how much research and 
>>>>> development actually costs.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you're developing and researching, but you're going to sell 
>>>>> your en product to millions, then it's likely your end price is 
>>>>> lower, when
>>>>
>>>>> you're selling to small r groups then your price is higher.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gosh I thought you did economics, prices for accessibility 
>>>>> technology is high, higher than I'd like, but do you want access 
>>>>> companies to magic research and development which costs millions out
of fin air?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---Neil Barnfather
>>>>> TalkNav
>>>>>
>>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized 
>>>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes 
>>>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>>>>
>>>>> www.talknav.com
>>>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>>>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 Telephone outside the UK: +44 
>>>>> 161 277 7997
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 20:38
>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>>>
>>>>> It's simple logic. If you can't afford it because the kids come 
>>>>> first then so be it. It wouldn't be as bad if like gw micro they 
>>>>> offered a payment plan. They don't. unless you get the n82 and 
>>>>> talks as a bundle
>>>>
>>>>> but if you already got a phone then why go down that road so 
>>>>> where's the flexibility in that? Sorry but 600 quid is way too 
>>>>> much for the majority of people to shell out on and it's stupid to 
>>>>> expect a ton of people to buy it.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Dryden
>>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 20:33
>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My god, what an archaic attitude!  With that, we'd all be in the 
>>>>> ghettos!  I mean, before we had computers with speech, we had 
>>>>> manual typewriters, blind people did ok then as well!  In fact, 
>>>>> what's the point of progression anyway?  Haha, not starting an 
>>>>> argument, just putting my point over!
>>>> To
>>>>> be
>>>>> honest, yes, KNF is a bit expensive but as with most of this type 
>>>>> of technology, it's all expensive because of the R & D.  And, 
>>>>> sorry, you just can't get away from it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:01 PM
>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well like I've said before, take a family of 4, 1 or both parents 
>>>>>> are
>>>>
>>>>>> blind and both have phones. So who goes without if they can 
>>>>>> either afford ecentials for the kids or a little programme which 
>>>>>> is at a ripoff price and quite a few people in prominent 
>>>>>> potisions just wouldn't recommend it for the price. It's way to 
>>>>>> much money for what it is. I mean what's the hastle in taking 
>>>>>> something to your desktop scanner and getting it to read that? Ok 
>>>>>> it may not be able to do tins
>>>>
>>>>>> and the like bla bla bla but being honest blind people have coped 
>>>>>> without that for years so why worry about it now
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DurDevil
>>>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 18:01
>>>>>> To: Talks-Uk Email group
>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi neil. I agree that we dont want to start a arguement but if it 
>>>>>> was
>>>>
>>>>>> slightly more affordable then it would reach more customers and 
>>>>>> now the main idea has been developed it surely could come down in
price.
>>>>>> Jaws for a pc is expensive and Talks for mobiles puts similar 
>>>>>> functionality into peoples pockets but if Nuance expected pricing 
>>>>>> like
>>>>>
>>>>>> FS it would not reach as many people. These programs are worth 
>>>>>> their weight to blind people but just think of how many peoples 
>>>>>> lives could
>>>>
>>>>>> be improved if it was all more affordable. Cheers. Pete
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -original message-
>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>>>> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Date: 25/09/2009 5:47 pm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Darren,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> KNFB Mobile Reader is I'm afraid well worth the price, I don't 
>>>>>> want to
>>>>>
>>>>>> get into a shouting match about this, but when you consider the 
>>>>>> cost of Kertzvil standard PC software and a scanner, verse that 
>>>>>> of a phone
>>>>
>>>>>> which can go with you anywhere and read odd shaped products it's 
>>>>>> well
>>>>
>>>>>> worth every penny.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---Neil Barnfather
>>>>>> TalkNav
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and 
>>>>>> authorized distributor of Wayfinder products, with product 
>>>>>> activation codes delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try
TalkNav today?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.talknav.com
>>>>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>>>>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 Telephone outside the UK: 
>>>>>> +44 161 277 7997
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>>>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 16:17
>>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lol with 3 letters gone are they going to reduce the price as 
>>>>>> well to
>>>>
>>>>>> make it worth buying?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 16:16
>>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>>> K-Reader is now known officially as the software that used to be 
>>>>>> called K-NFB Reader, least that's my understanding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jackie Cairns
>>>>>> Braille Specialist
>>>>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound 
>>>>>> Technology Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton 
>>>>>> Park Northampton
>>>>>> NN3 6WD
>>>>>> Tel: 01604 798024
>>>>>> Mob: 07887 883815
>>>>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil 
>>>>>> Barnfather -
>>>>
>>>>>> TalkNav
>>>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 14:07
>>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jackie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you mean K Reader or KNFB Reader, they are two different products?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---Neil Barnfather
>>>>>> TalkNav
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and 
>>>>>> authorized distributor of Wayfinder products, with product 
>>>>>> activation codes delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try
TalkNav today?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.talknav.com
>>>>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>>>>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 Telephone outside the UK: 
>>>>>> +44 161 277 7997
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 13:39
>>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I now have the K-Reader on my N86, and will run it alongside my 
>>>>>> work
>>>>>> N82 at the weekend for a comparison.  I love the N86's chunky 
>>>>>> feel, and the buttons are so much more tactile all round than the
N82.
>>>>>> Often, customers struggle with the Talks/Menu button on the N82, 
>>>>>> and the soft key positions.  They shouldn't experience the same 
>>>>>> issues with the N86 as the buttons are so nicely spaced out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've tried the FM transmitter, and this works a treat if you keep 
>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>> phone fairly close to the radio or system you are putting it through.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking forward to spending more time with it and the N82 
>>>>>> this weekend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jackie Cairns
>>>>>> Braille Specialist
>>>>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound 
>>>>>> Technology Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton 
>>>>>> Park Northampton
>>>>
>>>>>> NN3 6WD
>>>>>> Tel: 01604 798024
>>>>>> Mob: 07887 883815
>>>>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>>>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 11:48
>>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jackie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The processor is faster in the N86 than either phone, the camera 
>>>>>> is obviously better, and if you have tried KNFB Reader on it, you 
>>>>>> would see that it is miles faster than the N82.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is a little heavy in my view, but the butoons on it are just 
>>>>>> as nice as the N82, if not a bit wider.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An all-round good phone, and the battery life is even better than 
>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>> N82 in my experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The N79 is pretty good, but it doesn't have the 8MP camera which 
>>>>>> helps
>>>>>
>>>>>> KNFB, and KNFB won't let you run it on the N79, I think they are 
>>>>>> just
>>>>
>>>>>> being paranoid and will have to do something soon, because 
>>>>>> TextScout is excellent on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>>>>> Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:45
>>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you've got the N86?  What do you love about it, and how do you 
>>>>>> think it compares to the N82 and N79?  Really interested in what 
>>>>>> you have to say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jackie Cairns
>>>>>> Braille Specialist
>>>>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound 
>>>>>> Technology Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton 
>>>>>> Park Northampton
>>>>
>>>>>> NN3 6WD
>>>>>> Tel: 01604 798024
>>>>>> Mob: 07887 883815
>>>>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>>>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 11:20
>>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Matt,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No news yet.  But I love my N86.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
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>>>>>> On Behalf Of Matt Brown
>>>>>> Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:08
>>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Any more news...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, is there any more news about N97 and Talks? I'm getting to a 
>>>>>> point
>>>>>
>>>>>> where
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really have to make a decision, N86 or N97! I don't want to be 
>>>>>> lumbered with an N97 if speech is months and months away if it 
>>>>>> comes at all, but of the 2 handsets it has the feature set I'm
looking for!
>>>>
>>>>>> Apart from the 8 MP camera the N86 doesn't look a whole lot more 
>>>>>> powerful than the N82 in reality, whereas the N97 is massivo!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>
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