[tabi] Re: nova2010 plan

  • From: "Mister Blackjack" <misterblackjack2@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 04:16:34 -0400

I don't either as of today but you might want to watch what you plant for it
might come back and bite you. Another words you might need it one day and if
it is not here then you want have it. Just my thoughts. 



-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Yvonne Britton
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 11:27 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: nova2010 plan

I am just reading this at about 12 pm and I don't use the system but the
ones that do should do what they have to do instead of talking about and
crying about. I know that this will not be exceptible but so what.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mister Blackjack" <misterblackjack2@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 11:10 AM
Subject: [tabi] Re: nova2010 plan

> You just about said it all in a nut shell. You Robert are hitting the 
> bull eyes. I have been involved in and around politics for over 30 
> years. I will say it is hard for a group of people to get anything 
> done that does not work together. What needs to happen is you all need 
> couple of good well paid lobbyist. Sadly this cost lots of money and 
> something that most of us don't have a lot of. You know don't let a 
> few people on this list discourage you from your goal. Most of the 
> ones that is complaining about not showing up at the meetings are not 
> going their self. Now the last thing you want any how is a bunch of 
> people with disabilities down at the city hall or county board meeting 
> or any other meeting jumping up and down and causing problems.
> They
> don't want or will they take what you say inconsideration. You are 
> much better off with 2 or maybe 3 good intelligent people with level 
> heads and good lobby skills down their representing the group. You get
much farther.
> As far you all that don't believe that, then why is it that large 
> corporations get lobbyist to go do their work for them? I can tell you 
> why that is what these people do for a living and they do it well with 
> out a mob. So again you keep the good work up Robert. You keep 
> thinking about the majority and not few minority that more than likely 
> don't know what they are talking about. I for one do not use this 
> system as of today. But who knows I might need it one day. So what 
> Robert is doing is helping make this happen or make it better or 
> atlest get some kind of middle ground. You all need to pick a leader 
> and a couple of people and let them represent you all. This is your 
> only hope unless you all come up with a whole lot of money to hire 
> some powerfully lobbyist! Just my thoughts on this.
> Thanks,
> Blackjack
> misterblackjack2@xxxxxxxxx
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of Easy Talk
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 9:58 AM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] nova2010 plan
> After reading all the post on this list about the nova2010 plan, I 
> want to say the following and then I am going to keep my mouth shut 
> since some people think I am attacking Star Metro and not acting with 
> a level  head and I run my mouth and don't go to meetings.
> I have been involved in advocacy for over 20 years and have served on 
> the Governors accessible voting task force and followed the AEIT task 
> force around the state.  I was also at all the legislative hearings on 
> the AEIT bill which looked good up until the last two days of the 
> session when it was stripped down so bad to the point it had no 
> enforcement clauses.  I was on the first committee that dealt with the 
> guide lines for Para transit service in Leon county.  At the time 
> Carol Keo-green was the chair of the TD board and she was never at the 
> committee meetings but at board meetings she would just say no we 
> aren't going to do that and that is that.  In politics actions like 
> this are referred to as the political sausage meal and you might not 
> believe it but I have seen it first hand.  One thing I have learned 
> over the years is that politicians are going to do what is best to 
> protect there careers.  Nice guys finish last.
> For those of you who went to the two TDC board meetings that dealt 
> with prioritization of rides will remember when I ask the board to 
> establish a committee to look at the impact this would have on the 
> rider ship at the first meeting, I was told they had a committee that 
> did that.  Calvert Durden ask who was on the committee and was told 
> the committee consisted of Donna Peacock and Colleen Roland who 
> ironically aren't voting members of the board.  It was apparent none 
> of the other members seemed to know about the committee.  When this 
> question was brought up at the second meeting the members were 
> different but neither William or Carl who are the only disabled people 
> on the board were on the committee.  Also the cost per trip prices 
> were different from the first meeting to the second, it went from 
> around
> 76
> dollars to 38.  My point here is to show you that government will say 
> what ever is necessary to support there actions.  These are just a few 
> things I have seen over the years and is why I am so skeptical of
> It should be apparent to all of you that the disabled community was 
> not considered during the Nova2010 plan.  If they had been considered 
> then Star Metro would have stated that service to the disabled would 
> not be affected in regards to Para Transit.  Under the current 
> information we have, if a particular bus has to pick up say just 2 
> wheel chairs that particular route will definitely not be able to keep 
> its schedule.  If there is a third wheel chair then that person will 
> have to wait for the next bus because the other bus wouldn't have room 
> for the third wheel chair.  There will also be delays when one wheel 
> chair has to be transferred to a connecting bus. I can assure you 
> there will be some ADA complaints filed by wheel chair users.  Also 
> remember wheel chairs when I post below some direct information from a 
> message posted by William a few days ago.
> We all need to remember that each person has there own needs and as 
> citizens of Tallahassee have the right to advocate for themselves.  
> They may choose to speak through TCB or NFB or as an individual.  The 
> only way we are going to have any affect is if people get involved and 
> in this case I think there will be a lot of concerns from the 
> community and not just people with disabilities.
> If we really want to be affective on this issue, we need to get other 
> people involved who aren't disabled because we are considered a small 
> group and the attitude the city has about the disabled community isn't 
> good.  Some of you will remember when the lieutenant of operations for 
> TPD came to one of the TCB meetings to talk about the enforcement of 
> the White Cane law.  He stated that he didn't know about the White 
> Cane law until just before our meeting when he was preparing his 
> presentation.  He admitted to using his Black Berry While driving and 
> said the city had more important things to deal with such as face 
> slapping instead of enforcing the White Cane law.  As Mr..
> Scheib stated the Nova2010 plan is about mobility not accessibility is 
> the most stupid thing I have ever heard.  If the system is not 
> accessible who cares about mobility.  Am I skeptical, you better believe I
> Now, here is what should be of major concern to all of you.  It is key 
> points of the plan and unless a miracle happens most likely isn't 
> going to be changed.
> q       Routes would no longer circulate within neighborhoods. This will,
> however,
> allow StarMetro to serve a larger population by providing higher 
> frequency and better service to the most popular destinations.
> This is just totally ridiculous logic.  How do you serve a larger 
> population to get to there destinations if you don't go where they 
> live.  A trip consist of a starting point and destination not just a 
> destination.
> q       Related to the above, walking distances to StarStops are 
> anticipated
> to increase.
> On the other hand, this will lead to fewer stops, increased mobility, 
> a more pleasurable riding experience and a healthier community.
> The benefits, however, would far outweigh the few discrete 
> disadvantages, which are better communicated in a longer visual
> Star Metro would have a more dependable system going where our patrons 
> want to go doing so in a timely, efficient fashion.
> This will basically mean the system will not be accessible to a large 
> majority of visually impaired, wheel chair users and elderly.  in fact 
> I see some reference to changing the type/class of people the system 
> is trying to target and it isn't us.
> Personally the new system won't affect me that much since it goes up 
> and down capital circle and I am with in 3 quarters of a mile from it.  
> The only affect it will have on me is that I might not be able to 
> visit a friend that lives in a neighbor hood which most of us do.  I 
> haven't heard anything about a bunch of tents along capital circle or 
> the parkway.  I have posted on this list because I care about 
> transportation and think it is vital to have a good system especially 
> for the disabled and the linkage between the fixed route system and 
> Dial A Ride.  Personally I am in favor of a decentralized system as 
> long as it has feeder buses or vans that can get you to the main 
> routes.  As stated on the web site, the current plan shouldn't cost 
> more but will give more frequent service.  There is no way you can 
> make a system better and decentralize it with out spending more money.
> Personally based on the current information, I think the city is doing 
> this to save money not provide a better service.  If people can not 
> get to the bus, they will be empty then the city can say no one uses 
> the busses so we are going to stop that service and believe me people 
> this is starting to happen all over the u.s.  Reduce and then 
> eliminate.
> Robert
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