[tabi] Re: nova2010 plan

  • From: "Charles Atkins" <catkins@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:48:36 -0400


----- Original Message ----- From: "Allison and Chip Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 12:26 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: nova2010 plan

Everyone's allowed to talk here; no one gets to pass judgment on what
someone else may or may not be doing.

so, we shouldn't waste time attacking one another as to who's doing the most
or who's efforts are worth more than someone else's efforts.  that's

-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Denyece Roberts, MSW
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:46 AM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: nova2010 plan

Robert I don't think people are singling out you.   It is  for the people
who are running their mouths and want do anything about it.
Nobody knows best how hard you work but you. So chill out and let the chips
fall where they may.

----- Original Message ----- From: Easy Talk <mailto:easytalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 9:58 AM
Subject: [tabi] nova2010 plan

After reading all the post on this list about the nova2010 plan, I
want to say the following and then I am going to keep my mouth shut since
some people think I am attacking Star Metro and not acting with a level
head and I run my mouth
and don't go to meetings.

I have been involved in advocacy for over 20 years and have served
on the Governors accessible voting task force and followed the AEIT task
force around the state.  I was also at all the legislative hearings on the
AEIT bill which looked good up until the last two days of the session when
it was stripped
down so bad to the point it had no enforcement clauses.  I was on
the first committee that dealt with the guide lines for Para transit service
in Leon county.  At the time Carol Keo-green was the chair of the TD board
and she was never at the committee meetings but at board meetings she would
just say no we aren't going to do that and that is that.  In politics
actions like this are referred to as the political sausage meal and you
might not believe it but I have seen it first hand.  One thing I have
learned over the years is that politicians are going to do what is best to
protect there careers.  Nice guys finish last.
For those of you who went to the two TDC board meetings
that dealt with prioritization of rides will remember when I ask the
board to establish a committee to look at the impact this would have on the
rider ship at the first meeting, I was told they had a committee that did
that.  Calvert Durden ask who was on the committee and was told the
committee consisted of Donna Peacock and Colleen Roland who ironically
aren't voting members of the board.  It was apparent none of the other
members seemed to know about the committee. When this question was brought
up at the second meeting the members were different but neither William or
Carl who are the only disabled people on the board were on the committee.
Also the cost per trip prices were different from the first meeting to the
second, it went from around 76 dollars to 38. My point here is to show you
that government will say what ever is necessary to support there actions.
These are just a few things I have seen over the years and is why I am so
skeptical of politicians.

It should be apparent to all of you that the disabled community was
not considered during the Nova2010 plan.  If they had been considered then
Star Metro would have stated that service to the disabled would not be
affected in regards to Para Transit. Under the current information we have,
if a particular bus has to pick up say just 2 wheel chairs that particular
route will definitely not be able to keep its schedule. If there is a third wheel chair then that person will have to wait for the next bus because the other bus wouldn't have room for the third wheel chair. There will also be delays when one wheel chair has to be transferred to a connecting bus. I can
assure you there will be some ADA complaints filed by wheel chair users.
Also remember wheel chairs when I post below some direct information from a
message posted by William a few days ago.

We all need to remember that each person has there own needs and as
citizens of Tallahassee have the right to advocate for themselves. They may choose to speak through TCB or NFB or as an individual. The only way we are going to have any affect is if people get involved and in this case I think there will be a lot of concerns from the community and not just people with
If we really want to be affective on this issue, we need to get
other people involved who aren't disabled because we are considered a small group and the attitude the city has about the disabled community isn't good. Some of you will remember when the lieutenant of operations for TPD came to one of the TCB meetings to talk about the enforcement of the White Cane law. He stated that he didn't know about the White Cane law until just before our
meeting when he was preparing his presentation.  He admitted to using his
Black Berry While driving and said the city had more important things to
deal with such as face slapping instead of enforcing the White Cane law. As Mr.. Scheib stated the Nova2010 plan is about mobility not accessibility is
the most stupid thing I have ever heard.  If the system is not accessible
who cares about mobility.  Am I skeptical, you better believe I am.

Now, here is what should be of major concern to all of you.  It is
key points of the plan and unless a miracle happens most likely isn't going
to be changed.

q       Routes would no longer circulate within neighborhoods. This
will, however,
allow StarMetro to serve a larger population by providing higher
frequency and better
service to the most popular destinations.

This is just totally ridiculous logic.  How do you serve a larger
population to get to there destinations if you don't go where they live. A
trip consist of a starting point and destination not just a destination.

q       Related to the above, walking distances to StarStops are
anticipated to increase.
On the other hand, this will lead to fewer stops, increased
mobility, a more pleasurable
riding experience and a healthier community.
The benefits, however, would far outweigh the few discrete
disadvantages, which are
better communicated in a longer visual presentation.
Star Metro would have a more dependable system going where our
patrons want to go
doing so in a timely, efficient fashion.

This will basically mean the system will not be accessible to a
large majority of visually impaired, wheel chair users and elderly. in fact
I see some reference to changing the type/class of people the system is
trying to target and it isn't us.

Personally the new system won't affect me that much since it goes up
and down capital circle and I am with in 3 quarters of a mile from it. The only affect it will have on me is that I might not be able to visit a friend that lives in a neighbor hood which most of us do. I haven't heard anything
about a bunch of tents along capital circle or the parkway.  I have posted
on this list because I care about transportation and think it is vital to
have a good system especially for the disabled and the linkage between the
fixed route system and Dial A Ride.  Personally I am in favor of a
decentralized system as long as it has feeder buses or vans that can get you
to the main routes.  As stated on the web site, the current plan shouldn't
cost more but will give more frequent service. There is no way you can make
a system better and decentralize it with out spending more money.
Personally based on the current information, I think the city is doing this
to save money not provide a better service.  If people can not get to the
bus, they will be empty then the city can say no one uses the busses so we
are going to stop that service and believe me people this is starting to
happen all over the u.s.  Reduce and then eliminate.


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