[sys-func] Re: The Stratification of the Content Plane

  • From: "David Rose" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ("david.rose")
  • To: "sys-func@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <sys-func@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 03:04:21 +0000

Some recent work on grammatical metaphor and stratal tension
David

Martin, J. R. (2020). Metaphors we feel by: Stratal tension. Journal of World 
Languages, 6(1-2), 8-26.
Rose, D. (2021). Reading metaphor: Symbolising, connoting and abducing 
meanings. Linguistics and Education, 64, 100932.


From: sys-func-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <sys-func-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf 
of Dr ChRIS CLÉiRIGh <c.cleirigh@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, 6 June 2022 at 12:22 pm
To: sys-func@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <sys-func@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [sys-func] Re: The Stratification of the Content Plane
Hi David,

What I take them to mean is that lexicogrammatical form and its function 
originate as one. As they say, if it weren't for grammatical metaphor, 
semantics and lexicogrammar could probably be modelled as function and form. 
The relation of function to form is one of symbolic identity: they are two 
perspectives on the same phenomenon, like the form and function of a chair.

On Halliday's model, a child's content plane before the move into language is 
very different from the semantic stratum of language.

Yes, my 'Marx and Engels' lecturer long ago pointed out that Marx's original 
quotation about religion being the opium of the people was also meant to 
include its beneficial aspect.

ChEeRS,
ChRIS

On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 at 11:18, 데이브드켈로그_교수_영어교육과 
<dkellogg60@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:dkellogg60@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Chris--

I don't really understand what they (MAKH and CMIMM) mean when they say that 
the two ORIGINATE as one, because there is a LOGICAL relationship between the 
two. Logically, there has to be two things for there to be any relationship 
"between" two processes.

On the other hand, if you take a historical materialist view, the two strata do 
originate as one stratum, because the child does have something very like a 
semantics before the lexicogrammatical layer comes into being. Isn't it more 
correct to say that the two strata originate as one because there is a 
historical (ontogenetic) relationship between the two (there may also be a 
sociogenetic and even a phylogenetic relationship, but that's beyond my 
expertise).

(Marxism may be the opium of intellectuals, but opium has very important 
medical uses, you know....)

dk

2022년 6월 6일 (월) 오전 8:22, Dr ChRIS CLÉiRIGh 
<c.cleirigh@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:c.cleirigh@xxxxxxxxx>>님이 작성:
Dear Colleagues,

The following quotes (focused on the ideational metafunction) might be useful 
for anyone who is unclear on Halliday's theoretical motivation for stratifying 
the content plane into semantics and grammar.

Halliday & Matthiessen (1999: 26, 237):
Thus when we move from the lexicogrammar into the semantics, as we are doing 
here, we are not simply relabelling everything in a new terminological guise. 
We shall stress the fundamental relationship between (say) clause complex in 
the grammar and sequence in the semantics, precisely because the two originate 
as one: a theory of logical relationships between processes. But, as we have 
shown, what makes such a theory (i.e. an ideation base as the construal of 
experience) possible is that it is a stratal construction that can also be 
deconstructed, every such occasion being a gateway to the creation of further 
meanings which reconstrue in new and divergent ways. Thus a sequence is not 
'the same thing as' a clause complex; if it was, language would not be a 
dynamic open system of the kind that it is. …

Of course, what we are recognising here as two distinct constructions, the 
semantic and the grammatical, never had or could have had any existence the one 
prior to the other; they are our analytic representation of the overall 
semioticising of experience — how experience is construed into meaning. If the 
congruent pattern had been the only form of construal, we would probably not 
have needed to think of semantics and grammar as two separate strata: they 
would be merely two facets of the content plane, interpreted on the one hand as 
function and on the other as form.

--

dr chris cléirigh
Marxism is the opium of the intellectuals.

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— Edmund Burke

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