Agree - thanks for that David. Tried to send an email earlier but
something went wrong
On 17/06/22 08.18 PM, Donna Rose Miller wrote:
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I too wholly agree with Annabelle, Geoff, Peter, Fran, Alison and John.
I also agree with Fran’s last point, however. Apologizing is not easy. Bravo.
Donna R. Miller
/Alma Mater/ Professor
Department of Modern Languages, Literatures and Cultures
/Alma Mater Studiorum/ - University of Bologna
https://donnarosemiller.academia.edu/ <https://donnarosemiller.academia.edu/>
*Da:* sys-func-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <sys-func-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Per conto di *David Rose
*Inviato:* venerdì 17 giugno 2022 08:15
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*Oggetto:* [sys-func] Re: Scale & Category Grammar (Halliday 1961)
Again, I apologise to John, Peter, Fran, Alison, Geoff, Annabelle and everyone in the community for my lack of judgement and respect, and thank you for calling me out.
David
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*Date: *Friday, 17 June 2022 at 3:43 pm
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*Subject: *[sys-func] Re: Scale & Category Grammar (Halliday 1961)
I've bought out of much of the discussion in the SFL community lately but I agree with Peter, and Fran, and Alison.
wow
j
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*Subject:* [sys-func] Re: Scale & Category Grammar (Halliday 1961)
Relevant here is that Ruqaiya always took pains to situate her work as 'a' systemic functional approach (not an asystemic approach LOL) - ie one of several if not many ways of elaborating on/applying/examining/questioning some shared core principles within the community. And as Annabelle says often quite different from Halliday's position.
By contrast I keep hearing lately how such and such a new model 'subsumes' so and so, where 'so and so' is often a key plank of Halliday's position, but where there has not been any agreement outside those immediately working on the new model that the relation between the various old and new views in play is best described as subsumption.
I would rather encourage/acknowledge the diversity in our temporo-spatio-socio-ideational matrix of views, instead of seeing ourselves engaged in a linear progression that cleanly gathers up the 'correct' views making them no longer statements in their own right.
The views I don't always agree with (including Halliday's and Hasan's) but the diversity I greatly value.
Best to all,
Alison
On 17/06/22 01.03 PM, Geoff Williams (geoffshould) wrote:
It's relevant to recall Bernstein's perspective on Hasan’s
contribution after /Cohesion in English/ in 'Sociolinguistics: A
personal view”, /Pedagogy, symbolic control and identity:
//Theory, research, critique, (1996: pp.132-133)./
… Ruqaiya Hasan joined the Sociological Research Unit in 1964
and provided an exciting, theoretically driven, expansion of
the research beyond cohesion analysis. We have kept up a
correspondence since, and her theory of semantic variation
opens up new vistas in our understanding of the role of
language in the construction of consciousness and its power
positioning. ‘My claim is that as Saussure limited the domain
of linguistics, so also Labov limits the domain of
sociolinguistics, which is reduced to social diagnostics,
ignoring deeper issues in the role of language in the
creation, maintenance, and change of social institutions’
(Hasan, 1992, p.8). Thus the Halliday/Hasan contribution to my
development is incalculable.
See also pp. 132-133 of this book for a more detailed citation of
Hasan’s semantic variation research, but there’s nothing about
'cataloguing of messages’.
Geoff
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*Alison Moore, PhD MPH*
Associate Professor in English Language & Linguistics
Head of Postgraduate Studies
School of Humanities & Social Inquiry
Faculty of Arts, Social Sciences & Humanities
University of Wollongong 2522 NSW Australia
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