specurtin-committee Re: agenda
- From: Christopher Coman <c.coman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "specurtin-committee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <specurtin-committee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:59:32 +0000
I got that Winston, and thanks for clearing it up, I had misinterpreted how you
had phrased and put forward what you created. I also refer you to
http://www.spe.org/groups/chapters/resources.php which links to the ops
calendar, and suggest you read the links on "How a student chapter is formed"
and the "Sample Bylaws" to give you a better sense of how things are expected
to operate, both from the SPE, and from the membership of the club.
I apologise for offending you, as that was not my intent, however I found your
idea that we have missed the whole point of why we set ourselves up with the
assistance of the department, and the idea that SPE somehow set us up and we
are a subjugate branch of them went against the grain of what I believe
successful student clubs embody, being self-determination, collaboration and
representation.
I also found your comment that us recruiting new students was getting them into
the Curtin guild to be lacking in accuracy. In no way do we promote people
joining the guild. We do offer guild members a $5 discount, as the guild
provides us with significant financial and operational support throughout the
year. In fact, the only people we care about joining the guild are our
executive, so that we can remain affiliated to them and continue to gain from
their support.
We are not an SPE section, we are a student chapter. We are not a financial or
legal part of the SPE and our main aim should not be to get students to join
the SPE, although we certainly encourage that. Your comment that "this
perception needs to be rectified immediately" came from your own incorrect
perception, and was ignorant of what we have done so far to encourage students
to join the SPE, like creating a guided handout for O-Day and it will be one of
the first things we e-mail out to all students now that we have got their
"contact details down so we can mail out information to them".
I'm not about creating tension, but I'm certainly not going to limit my
self-expression when it comes to things I'm passionate about. You can count on
me to be straight with you, regardless of how I think it might land, and say
what is on my mind. You can also trust that I'm always intent on empowering and
enabling the people around me. If you will not allow tensions and conflict to
arise then you won't get the benefit of having them resolved, so I'm not going
to promise never to conflict or to create tension. It's healthy. However, I
will always have a commitment to get it resolved. I don't hang onto stuff once
it's communicated.
Anyway, glad to have begun this discussion and there may be more to say
tomorrow. I want to acknowledge your commitment to leading the committee but I
offer the advice of learning to herd cats. It's not a linear process.
Coman
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From: specurtin-committee-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[specurtin-committee-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf of Winston Kosasih
[wkosasih88@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 01 March 2011 21:02
To: specurtin-committee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: specurtin-committee Re: agenda
Chris,
I find your response a tad bit offensive. If you honestly think that I have
suggested this in my own interests then you have sadly mistaken.
I refer you to this link (http://www.spe.org/groups/chapters/OpsCalendar.php)
and I quote:
"Membership development activities should be conducted."
It should be pretty clear that SPE intends for us to recruit student members
for them. Again, I am not saying we shouldn't recruit members into the guild
but remember what we refer ourselves as: SPECSC. SPE membership takes priority.
As for your claim that we set ourselves up let me just ask you one question
Chris. Who did we have to get approval from before we became set up as an SPE
student chapter?
I would also like to clarify what I meant when I said "Our main aim is to get
students to become members of SPE". It seems that you have misunderstood what I
meant. No, I do not mean for us as committee members spend all our efforts
recruiting student members for SPE. If that had been my intention do you think
I would have agreed to run all these events? What was the point then, of Ziad
spending immense amounts of efforts to gather sponsors? What I meant is our
recruitment focus should mainly be on SPE. It might have been a mistake on my
part for not communicating this clearly and for this I apologize.
I know you are passionate about student representation and what not but what
you have to understand is aside from being a student representation we are also
a local branch of an association. What that means is that we not only have to
pay attention to the interests of the students but we also have to address
those of the association. Remember that if our member count falls below a
certain number SPE has the right to stop our operations.
Now if you still childishly think that I have suggested the above issues in my
own interests then allow me to apologize. I can endure criticisms and
accusations, however misjudged they may be but I will not allow tensions and
conflict to arise in the committee I lead as the only thing it will lead to is
loss of cooperation and subsequently the downfall of the team.
Regards
Winston
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Christopher Coman
<c.coman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:c.coman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Winston,
Firstly, when recruiting students on O-Day, and at orientation, we are
recruiting them to the SPECSC, which is a chapter of the broader SPE. We had
handouts for how to join the SPE, and will be encouraging all students who are
petroleum engineers to join the SPE. Our membership is not limited to people
who join the SPE but of course we will encourage our members to join. We are
open to non-petroleum engineers too, and it would probably not be in their best
interests to join the SPE, however that is up to them as individuals.
We, as a student club, are also affiliated to the Curtin Student Guild, which
comes with a couple of responsibilities, that being giving $5 discount to guild
members, as we are also a student club. There are no student clubs australia,
or likely world wide, that operate independent of their student representative
body. That would be foolish and cut us off from a source of local, on campus
assistance and avenues and pathways for advertising and cross-promotion.
Another point I want to address is "why SPE set us up"... No, we set ourselves
up with the assistance of the department. We are an independent body affiliated
to the SPE. We should realistically have our own constitution (built from the
SPE one) that dictates how we operate, and we are definately under the broader
umbrella of the SPE, but as far as they are concerned, they do not dictate our
actions or control the spending of the money that we raise. In fact, if you
read the information on the "exceptional clubs" page you posted, is is the
independence and action that we take as a student chapter that gives us that
status.
Our main aim is NOT to get students to become members of SPE. And if you think
it is, your focus is quite limited. Our purpose is to be a representative body
for Petroleum Engineering Students at Curtin University, providing
opportunities for them to network, obtain vacation and graduate employment,
develop friendships and be able to contribute to their own education and
experience of university. Joining SPE is something that will come along with
this. We are also not focussed on having students join the guild, however we
are required (by our own affiliation) to give a $5 discount to those who have
joined the guild, since we are Curtin Students, and you personally are required
to join the guild if you wish to remain President of a Curtin Student Club, as
a condition of our affiliation, which we voted upon as a committee.
Anyway, I've ranted enough. I'm not angry by the way, but student
representation is something I am passionate about, and frankly if all you are
interested in is getting numbers of people to join SPE, you need to get the
attention off yourself and getting a plaque and onto the students and what
would make a difference for them.
Authentically,
Coman.
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Sent: 01 March 2011 11:49
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Cc: Ellie Lock; Lisa Smith; Mofazzal Hossain
Subject: specurtin-committee Re: agenda
Hey Ellie,
You forgot the graduate program with BG Group.
Also, this was another point I was going to bring up in the meeting but I might
as well mention it now. When we talk about recruiting new students, we have
always thought that it was for the "club" (the Curtin guild). While this is not
a problem, I have figured that we have missed the whole point of why SPE set us
up in the first place altogether.
Our main aim is to get students to become members of SPE. Not to join the guild
club or list their name and contact details down so we can mail out information
to them. Remember we ARE SPE, a branch of it, not a separate entity. SPEs aim
of expanding their membership is therefore ours as well. This is also the main
metric SPE uses to judge how well established a chapter is.
This perception needs to be rectified immediately and I feel the need to
discuss how this is going to be achieved and kept track of in our next meeting.
Regards
Winston
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Ellie Lock
<ellie.lock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ellie.lock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
Here u go guys.
Let me know if ive missed anything?
Thanks
Ellie
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