specurtin-committee Re: agenda

  • From: Christopher Coman <c.coman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "specurtin-committee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <specurtin-committee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:59:32 +0000

I got that Winston, and thanks for clearing it up, I had misinterpreted how you 
had phrased and put forward what you created. I also refer you to 
http://www.spe.org/groups/chapters/resources.php which links to the ops 
calendar, and suggest you read the links on "How a student chapter is formed" 
and the "Sample Bylaws" to give you a better sense of how things are expected 
to operate, both from the SPE, and from the membership of the club.

I apologise for offending you, as that was not my intent, however I found your 
idea that we have missed the whole point of why we set ourselves up with the 
assistance of the department, and the idea that SPE somehow set us up and we 
are a subjugate branch of them went against the grain of what I believe 
successful student clubs embody, being self-determination, collaboration and 

I also found your comment that us recruiting new students was getting them into 
the Curtin guild to be lacking in  accuracy. In no way do we promote people 
joining the guild. We do offer guild members a $5 discount, as the guild 
provides us with significant financial and operational support throughout the 
year. In fact, the only people we care about joining the guild are our 
executive, so that we can remain affiliated to them and continue to gain from 
their support.

We are not an SPE section, we are a student chapter. We are not a financial or 
legal part of the SPE and our main aim should not be to get students to join 
the SPE, although we certainly encourage that. Your comment that "this 
perception needs to be rectified immediately" came from your own incorrect 
perception, and was ignorant of what we have done so far to encourage students 
to join the SPE, like creating a guided handout for O-Day and it will be one of 
the first things we e-mail out to all students now that we have got their 
"contact details down so we can mail out information to them".

I'm not about creating tension, but I'm certainly not going to limit my 
self-expression when it comes to things I'm passionate about. You can count on 
me to be straight with you, regardless of how I think it might land, and say 
what is on my mind. You can also trust that I'm always intent on empowering and 
enabling the people around me. If you will not allow tensions and conflict to 
arise then you won't get the benefit of having them resolved, so I'm not going 
to promise never to conflict or to create tension. It's healthy. However, I 
will always have a commitment to get it resolved. I don't hang onto stuff once 
it's communicated.

Anyway, glad to have begun this discussion and there may be more to say 
tomorrow. I want to acknowledge your commitment to leading the committee but I 
offer the advice of learning to herd cats. It's not a linear process.


From: specurtin-committee-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[specurtin-committee-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf of Winston Kosasih 
Sent: 01 March 2011 21:02
To: specurtin-committee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: specurtin-committee Re: agenda


I find your response a tad bit offensive. If you honestly think that I have 
suggested this in my own interests then you have sadly mistaken.

I refer you to this link (http://www.spe.org/groups/chapters/OpsCalendar.php) 
and I quote:

"Membership development activities should be conducted."

It should be pretty clear that SPE intends for us to recruit student members 
for them. Again, I am not saying we shouldn't recruit members into the guild 
but remember what we refer ourselves as: SPECSC. SPE membership takes priority.

As for your claim that we set ourselves up let me just ask you one question 
Chris. Who did we have to get approval from before we became set up as an SPE 
student chapter?

I would also like to clarify what I meant when I said "Our main aim is to get 
students to become members of SPE". It seems that you have misunderstood what I 
meant. No, I do not mean for us as committee members spend all our efforts 
recruiting student members for SPE. If that had been my intention do you think 
I would have agreed to run all these events? What was the point then, of Ziad 
spending immense amounts of efforts to gather sponsors? What I meant is our 
recruitment focus should mainly be on SPE. It might have been a mistake on my 
part for not communicating this clearly and for this I apologize.

I know you are passionate about student representation and what not but what 
you have to understand is aside from being a student representation we are also 
a local branch of an association. What that means is that we not only have to 
pay attention to the interests of the students but we also have to address 
those of the association. Remember that if our member count falls below a 
certain number SPE has the right to stop our operations.

Now if you still childishly think that I have suggested the above issues in my 
own interests then allow me to apologize. I can endure criticisms and 
accusations, however misjudged they may be but I will not allow tensions and 
conflict to arise in the committee I lead as the only thing it will lead to is 
loss of cooperation and subsequently the downfall of the team.


On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Christopher Coman 
<c.coman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:c.coman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

Firstly, when recruiting students on O-Day, and at orientation, we are 
recruiting them to the SPECSC, which is a chapter of the broader SPE. We had 
handouts for how to join the SPE, and will be encouraging all students who are 
petroleum engineers to join the SPE. Our membership is not limited to people 
who join the SPE but of course we will encourage our members to join. We are 
open to non-petroleum engineers too, and it would probably not be in their best 
interests to join the SPE, however that is up to them as individuals.

We, as a student club, are also affiliated to the Curtin Student Guild, which 
comes with a couple of responsibilities, that being giving $5 discount to guild 
members, as we are also a student club. There are no student clubs australia, 
or likely world wide, that operate independent of their student representative 
body. That would be foolish and cut us off from a source of local, on campus 
assistance and avenues and pathways for advertising and cross-promotion.

Another point I want to address is "why SPE set us up"... No, we set ourselves 
up with the assistance of the department. We are an independent body affiliated 
to the SPE. We should realistically have our own constitution (built from the 
SPE one) that dictates how we operate, and we are definately under the broader 
umbrella of the SPE, but as far as they are concerned, they do not dictate our 
actions or control the spending of the money that we raise. In fact, if you 
read the information on the "exceptional clubs" page you posted, is is the 
independence and action that we take as a student chapter that gives us that 

Our main aim is NOT to get students to become members of SPE. And if you think 
it is, your focus is quite limited. Our purpose is to be a representative body 
for Petroleum Engineering Students at Curtin University, providing 
opportunities for them to network, obtain vacation and graduate employment, 
develop friendships and be able to contribute to their own education and 
experience of university. Joining SPE is something that will come along with 
this. We are also not focussed on having students join the guild, however we 
are required (by our own affiliation) to give a $5 discount to those who have 
joined the guild, since we are Curtin Students, and you personally are required 
to join the guild if you wish to remain President of a Curtin Student Club, as 
a condition of our affiliation, which we voted upon as a committee.

Anyway, I've ranted enough. I'm not angry by the way, but student 
representation is something I am passionate about, and frankly if all you are 
interested in is getting numbers of people to join SPE, you need to get the 
attention off yourself and getting a plaque and onto the students and what 
would make a difference for them.


 on behalf of Winston Kosasih 
Sent: 01 March 2011 11:49
To: specurtin-committee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:specurtin-committee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Ellie Lock; Lisa Smith; Mofazzal Hossain
Subject: specurtin-committee Re: agenda

Hey Ellie,

You forgot the graduate program with BG Group.

Also, this was another point I was going to bring up in the meeting but I might 
as well mention it now. When we talk about recruiting new students, we have 
always thought that it was for the "club" (the Curtin guild). While this is not 
a problem, I have figured that we have missed the whole point of why SPE set us 
up in the first place altogether.

Our main aim is to get students to become members of SPE. Not to join the guild 
club or list their name and contact details down so we can mail out information 
to them. Remember we ARE SPE, a branch of it, not a separate entity. SPEs aim 
of expanding their membership is therefore ours as well. This is also the main 
metric SPE uses to judge how well established a chapter is.

This perception needs to be rectified immediately and I feel the need to 
discuss how this is going to be achieved and kept track of in our next meeting.


On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Ellie Lock 

Here u go guys.

Let me know if ive missed anything?



Other related posts: