[sparkscoffee] Re: Obama & Holder Destroy the Constitution
- From: "schalestock@xxxxxxxx" <schalestock@xxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 16:37:49 GMT
Stanley, I can only marvel at the labyrinth of your mind. What is hell does FDR
have to do with Churchill's comments on democracy? Inquiring minds would like
to know. Can you please try an stay focused on the point under discussion. JS
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Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Obama & Holder Destroy the Constitution
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 11:59:00 -0400
JSThis post of yours exposes how short sighted, shallow thinking a memory you
have. Winston Churchill owes FDR for saveing England from most likely a
successful invasion by Hitler when they signed a Lend-lease agreement and 50
older Destroyers and a lot of other war material was given almost immediately.
It was you who pissed all over FDR for getting us into WW2 which Hitler might
have won if we didn't get into which was one good war that must be won. In my
humble opinion WC would think quite lowly of your condemnation of long sighted
FDR although most everyone has some faults including them, me and you. Comrade
B, the realist mensch -----Original Message-----
From: schalestock <schalestock@xxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sat, Oct 4, 2014 12:33 pm
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Obama & Holder Destroy the Constitution
RR Well, as Churchill said, "Democracy is the worst form of government except
for all the others." I think what he was really getting at is that democracy,
illusory or otherwise, is a vicarious substitue for violence and anarchy.
Which fits nicely with Jefferson's observation that American democracy can only
work if the elected have some modicum of integrey. We see the proof of that
with Obama - albeit the negative side of the coin. JS
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From: Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Obama & Holder Destroy the Constitution
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 10:00:36 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
JS,
It seems to me that anybody who votes for one party or another, Democrat or
Republican, is a socialist since voting for any party is collectivism. I see
no fundamental differences between the two parties. They only pretend to have
differences.
I agree that things are going to get a lot worse. I see no other possible
outcome, at least for the vast majority of Americans. The new definition of
success will be just to survive.
-RR
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Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Obama & Holder Destroy the Constitution
RR A thoughtful and interesting post. Personally, I think the rising tide of
lawlessness in this country can, in part, be laid at the feet of the
Obama/Holder dictatorship. People sense that the law is meaningless anymore -
Or as Obama is positing, the law is what I say it is. One only has to read
Obama's book, Dreams of my Father, to gain an insight into his mindset. His
absent, psychopathic racist father told him that he believed in 100% taxation
with the "government" dispensing favors to the compliant. This is the classic
African tribal chief mentality - all power, all privilege, no responsibility.
When you couple this with Obama's neurotic ditsy mother and his hard core
Socialist grandparents, its little wonder he thinks and acts as he does. But
the supreme irony is that enough of the American people bought into his
bullshit about "fundamentally changing America". Just the statement alone
should have been enough to raise the red flag. But the voting demographics that
elected him tell the whole tale. 90% African Americans (not surprising), the
stupid white (educated) females and their wimp eunuch cohorts, and of course,
the cynical democrat politicians that don't give a rat's ass about the country
as long as they stay in power. I'm afraid things are going to have to get a lot
worse before they get better - if in fact they ever do before we are
irrevocably and "fundamentally changed". JS
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From: Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Obama & Holder Destroy the Constitution
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:34:35 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Posted on October 3, 2014 by Martin Armstrong
I have studied Constitutional Law intensely and I can say with conviction that
history will indeed remember Eric Holder and his mentor Obama for much more
than merely the top 9 controversial issues everyone writes about. Mr.
Holder’s more than five years as the nation’s chief legal officer
has been absolutely devastating to the future of the nation and the Rule of
Law. This goes far beyond merely the NSA, IRS scandal and the State Department
scandals.
Barack Obama ‘s White House has done serious long-term damage to the
world economy and the civil rights of every American. Obama and Holder pushed
the authority of the executive branch of the federal government far beyond any
democratic process. The administrative agencies under the Executive branch have
gone well beyond the edge of the Constitution and law in a systemic manner that
is truly breath-taking. Unlike previous presidencies where there was just one
controversial instance, the Obama-Holder team have embarked on virtually a
dictatorship under the pretense of democracy. I do not say this lightly nor as
a political partisan.
Everyone who has ever studied law had basic rules that government simply could
not go beyond – they just can’t do that! Everyone in the legal
community if they spoke freely has now learned that what they took for granted
as clear meaning of existing law just no longer applies. Once you undermine the
Rule of Law, everything else collapses for in the end game, you cannot even
prove you own anything when it is subject to interpretation and discretion.
In 2011, the Obama-Holder tag-team just did what they wanted anyway ignoring
the Judiciary regarding off-shore oil drilling. Believe it or not, Federal
Judge Martin Feldman found the government in contempt holding: “Each step
the government took following the court’s imposition of a preliminary
injunction showcases its defiance.” Of course nobody goes to jail for how
can you order the Justice Department to put itself in jail for contempt? This
is why we need an independently elected Roman Tribune who can prosecute anyone
in government and is outside the Executive Branch. We call that a Special
Prosecutor to investigate a president – well we need a real elected
office of Tribune to secure the Constitution and be able to criminal charge
Obama, Holder, or John Boehner .
The Obama-Holder tag-team has effectively made federal legal authority
boundless eliminating any restraint upon government as Obama justified the
actions of the NSA saying you have to give up liberty to be safe. “I
think the American people understand that there are some trade-offs
involved,” Obama said when questioned by reporters at a health care event
in San Jose, Calif. He also famously said: “It’s important to
recognize that you can’t have 100 percent security and also then have 100
percent privacy and zero inconvenience,” he said. “We’re
going to have to make some choices as a society. And what I can say is that in
evaluating these programs, they make a difference in our capacity to anticipate
and prevent possible terrorist activity.”
The question is – safe from whom? Obama stands in history directly in
opposition to those who founded this nation. In Belgium Obama clearly stated
the struggle between the state and the people. His address in Belgium to the
European Youth who are suffering unemployment levels almost three times that of
the Great Depression on March 26, 2014 obviously demonstrates he knows what he
is doing to tear down democracy.
“The belief that through conscience and free will, each of us has the
right to live as we choose. The belief that power is derived from the consent
of the governed, and that laws and institutions should be established to
protect that understanding. And those ideas eventually inspired a band of
colonialists across an ocean, and they wrote them into the founding documents
that still guide America today, including the simple truth that all men —
and women — are created equal.
“But those ideals have also been tested — here in Europe and around
the world. Those ideals have often been threatened by an older, more
traditional view of power. This alternative vision argues that ordinary men
and women are too small-minded to govern their own affairs, that order and
progress can only come when individuals surrender their rights to an
all-powerful sovereign. …
“And just as we meet our responsibilities as individuals, we must be
prepared to meet them as nations. Because we live in a world in which our
ideals are going to be challenged again and again by forces that would drag us
back into conflict or corruption. We can’t count on others to rise to
meet those tests. The policies of your government, the principles of your
European Union, will make a critical difference in whether or not the
international order that so many generations before you have strived to create
continues to move forward, or whether it retreats.”
Obama has stated clearly that he has come full circle. He believes that right
must be surrendered to the sovereign government for only it can defend freedom
by taking it from the people. This is very strange logic.
The Obama-Holder theory of law has been mind-blowing. Essentially, they stand
for the proposition that the needs of justice supersede the law’s
boundaries. Obama has effectively stated he will take your rights and money but
for a good purpose – government power to protect your right to have
rights and money? This is precisely what Thrasymachus warned about and every
law professor when confronted with this question would have responded –
that is not law. Nevertheless, Obama has stood for the proposition that justice
is merely the self-interest of the stronger – government.
Anyone who thinks I am exaggerating this in any possible way should look at
what Obama said himself. In July 2011 over the debt ceiling, Obama said
publicly that he would like to “bypass Congress and change the laws on my
own.” He said this again in June 2014 with respect to immigration reform.
This is what one expects from a dictator – not an elected official who
pretends to be a Constitutional lawyer. The very next year, Obama then made his
unconstitutional recess appointments to the National Labor Relations Board.
Effectively, he bypassed Congress to stuff his own people in positions without
the approval of the people. UNHEARD OF! Yet Obama also said back in 2011:
”Sometimes when I talk to immigration advocates, they wish I could just
bypass Congress and change the law myself, but that’s not how a democracy
works.”
The antics of the Obama-Holder tag-team have displayed the audacity to argue in
federal courts what difference does it make? The real curious phase is not only
used by Obama-Holder in court, when Hilary testified before Congress regarding
the attack if it was a protest of just some guys out for a walk and decided to
kill some Americans she too simply replied – what difference does it
make? This is not a legal argument in any court under any system of law that I
am aware of. It makes a huge difference for even as Hillary tried to dismiss
the attack, one is an organized terrorist attack and the other is just a random
act of violence.
I am not the only one with a problem here regarding the abuse of power of
Obama-Holder. In 2013, D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Brett Kavanaugh
wrote that the Obama administration’s legal claims raised
“significant questions about the scope of the Executive’s authority
to disregard federal statutes.”
Obama’s praise of Holder one would think he offhandedly saved the nation.
Certainly not from the abuse of government. The legal precedents are shocking
and very alarming. These people never get it. Obama expands the reach of the
Presidency and the next one comes in and always expands it further. Nobody ever
reforms. So unfortunately, we are headed down the creek in a boat that is
leaking without a paddle. Our children will never know the world in which we
grew up when once upon a time there use to be a friendly face behind every
badge.
-RR
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