[sparkscoffee] Re: Obama & Holder Destroy the Constitution
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- Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 21:38:46 -0400
JS & Lee
You quote Winston Curchill as smart man and I am saying that Winston and
England owe long thinking FDR for Lend Lease before Pearl Harbor and were great
friends throughout WW2. But you did a research and condemned FDR for ruining
our economy and getting us into WW2 in a stupid attempt to making yourself
wiser and more important then the rest of us sheeple. WC wouldnt look very
kindly on your analysis of FDR. But I know you will pretend to not understand
my simple point and come back with some cucko cork screw, ducking response or
no response.
Lee
I was never a professional athlete, amateur singles only.
Comrade B
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From: Lee, NI7I <pixiehat@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sun, Oct 5, 2014 7:12 pm
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Obama & Holder Destroy the Constitution
Were you a professional footballer? We (or at least I tend to) tend to
forget that most of us had other lives outside going to sea for a living.
Would
love to hear some of your (cleaned up versions) stories of
professional sports.
Lee
NI7I
On 10/5/2014 10:54 AM, schalestock@xxxxxxxx wrote:
RR
You put your finger on something that I have always found amazing and
utterly illogical. Treat them like they treat others and they cry like
babies.
I used to see this on the soccer field. 30 something yuppies, thinking
they were being "clever" would intentional trip or kick other players.
Having played professionally against hard men who never did anything
they didn't mean to, it first made me laugh and then angry. When I
retaliated, the referee never saw it. But these pathetic babies would
squeal like little girls. How DARE anyone do what they were doing to
others. This, as you say, is their mentality - and why nothing short of
a punch in the nose will ever get through to them.
JS
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From: Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Obama & Holder Destroy the
Constitution
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 11:26:05 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
JS,
You don't seem to understand Stanley's culture. With these
people your are either with them or against them. They are no
different than ISIS except they are a little more tactful and they cry
like babies when they are treated the same way they treat others.
-RR
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Sent: Oct 5, 2014 10:37 AM
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Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Obama & Holder Destroy the
Constitution
Stanley,
I can only marvel at the labyrinth of your mind. What is hell does
FDR have to do with Churchill's comments on democracy? Inquiring
minds would like to know. Can you please try an stay focused on
the point under discussion.
JS
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Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 11:59:00 -0400
JS
This post of yours exposes how short sighted, shallow thinking a
memory you have. Winston Churchill owes FDR for saveing England
from most likely a successful invasion by Hitler when they
signed a Lend-lease agreement and 50 older Destroyers and a lot
of other war material was given almost immediately. It was you
who pissed all over FDR for getting us into WW2 which Hitler
might have won if we didn't get into which was one good
war that must be won. In my humble opinion WC would think
quite lowly of your condemnation of long sighted FDR although
most everyone has some faults including them, me and you.
Comrade B, the realist mensch
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From: schalestock <schalestock@xxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sat, Oct 4, 2014 12:33 pm
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Obama & Holder Destroy
the Constitution
RR
Well, as Churchill said, "Democracy is the worst form of
government except for all the others." I think what he was
really getting at is that democracy, illusory or otherwise,
is a vicarious substitue for violence and anarchy. Which
fits nicely with Jefferson's observation that American
democracy can only work if the elected have some
modicum of integrey. We see the proof of that with Obama -
albeit the negative side of the coin.
JS
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From: Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Obama & Holder
Destroy the Constitution
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 10:00:36 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
JS,
It seems to me that anybody who votes for one
party or another, Democrat or Republican, is a
socialist since voting for any party is collectivism. I
see no fundamental differences between the two parties.
They only pretend to have differences.
I agree that things are going to get a lot worse.
I see no other possible outcome, at least for the
vast majority of Americans. The new definition of
success will be just to survive.
-RR
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Destroy the Constitution
RR
A thoughtful and interesting post. Personally, I think
the rising tide of lawlessness in this country can, in
part, be laid at the feet of the Obama/Holder
dictatorship. People sense that the law is
meaningless anymore - Or as Obama is positing, the
law is what I say it is.
One only has to read Obama's book, Dreams of my
Father, to gain an insight into his mindset. His
absent, psychopathic racist father told him that he
believed in 100% taxation with the "government"
dispensing favors to the compliant. This is the
classic African tribal chief mentality - all power,
all privilege, no responsibility. When you
couple this with Obama's neurotic ditsy mother
and his hard core Socialist grandparents, its
little wonder he thinks and acts as he does.
But the supreme irony is that enough of the American
people bought into his bullshit about "fundamentally
changing America". Just the statement alone should
have been enough to raise the red flag. But the voting
demographics that elected him tell the whole
tale. 90% African Americans (not surprising),
the stupid white (educated) females and their
wimp eunuch cohorts, and of course, the cynical
democrat politicians that don't give a rat's ass about
the country as long as they stay in power.
I'm afraid things are going to have to get a lot worse
before they get better - if in fact they ever do
before we are irrevocably and "fundamentally changed".
JS
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From: Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Obama & Holder
Destroy the Constitution
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:34:35 -0600
(GMT-06:00)
Posted on October 3, 2014 by Martin Armstrong
I have studied Constitutional Law intensely
and I can say with conviction that history
will indeed remember Eric Holder and his
mentor Obama for much more than merely the top 9
controversial issues everyone writes about. Mr.
Holder’s more than five years as the nation’s chief
legal officer has been absolutely devastating to the
future of the nation and the Rule of Law. This goes
far beyond merely the NSA, IRS scandal and the
State Department scandals.
Barack Obama ‘s White House has done serious
long-term damage to the world economy and
the civil rights of every American. Obama
and Holder pushed the authority of the executive
branch of the federal government far beyond any
democratic process. The administrative agencies
under the Executive branch have gone well beyond the
edge of the Constitution and law in a systemic
manner that is truly breath-taking. Unlike previous
presidencies where there was just one
controversial instance, the Obama-Holder
team have embarked on virtually a dictatorship under
the pretense of democracy. I do not say this lightly
nor as a political partisan.
Everyone who has ever studied law had basic
rules that government simply could not go
beyond – they just can’t do that! Everyone
in the legal community if they spoke freely has now
learned that what they took for granted as clear
meaning of existing law just no longer applies. Once
you undermine the Rule of Law, everything else
collapses for in the end game, you cannot even prove
you own anything when it is subject to
interpretation and discretion.
In 2011, the Obama-Holder tag-team just did
what they wanted anyway ignoring the
Judiciary regarding off-shore oil drilling.
Believe it or not, Federal Judge Martin Feldman
found the government in contempt holding: “Each step
the government took following the court’s imposition
of a preliminary injunction showcases its
defiance.” Of course nobody goes to jail for
how can you order the Justice Department to
put itself in jail for contempt? This is why we need
an independently elected Roman Tribune who can
prosecute anyone in government and is outside the
Executive Branch. We call that a Special Prosecutor
to investigate a president – well we need a
real elected office of Tribune to secure the
Constitution and be able to criminal charge
Obama, Holder, or John Boehner .
The Obama-Holder tag-team has effectively
made federal legal authority boundless
eliminating any restraint upon government as
Obama justified the actions of the NSA saying you
have to give up liberty to be safe. “I think the
American people understand that there are some
trade-offs involved,” Obama said when questioned by
reporters at a health care event in San
Jose, Calif. He also famously said: “It’s
important to recognize that you can’t have 100
percent security and also then have 100 percent
privacy and zero inconvenience,” he said. “We’re
going to have to make some choices as a society. And
what I can say is that in evaluating these programs,
they make a difference in our capacity to anticipate
and prevent possible terrorist activity.”
The question is – safe from whom? Obama
stands in history directly in opposition to
those who founded this nation. In Belgium
Obama clearly stated the struggle between the state
and the people. His address in Belgium to the
European Youth who are suffering unemployment levels
almost three times that of the Great Depression on
March 26, 2014 obviously demonstrates he knows
what he is doing to tear down democracy.
“The belief that through conscience and
free will, each of us has the right to live
as we choose. The belief that power is
derived from the consent of the governed, and that
laws and institutions should be established to
protect that understanding. And those ideas
eventually inspired a band of colonialists across an
ocean, and they wrote them into the founding
documents that still guide America today, including
the simple truth that all men — and women — are
created equal.
“But those ideals have also been tested —
here in Europe and around the world. Those
ideals have often been threatened by an
older, more traditional view of power. This
alternative vision argues that ordinary men and
women are too small-minded to govern their own
affairs, that order and progress can only come when
individuals surrender their rights to an
all-powerful sovereign. …
“And just as we meet our responsibilities as
individuals, we must be prepared to meet
them as nations. Because we live in a world
in which our ideals are going to be challenged again
and again by forces that would drag us back into
conflict or corruption. We can’t count on others to
rise to meet those tests. The policies of
your government, the principles of your
European Union, will make a critical difference
in whether or not the international order that so
many generations before you have strived to create
continues to move forward, or whether it retreats.”
Obama has stated clearly that he has come
full circle. He believes that right must be
surrendered to the sovereign government for
only it can defend freedom by taking it from the
people. This is very strange logic.
The Obama-Holder theory of law has been
mind-blowing. Essentially, they stand for
the proposition that the needs of justice
supersede the law’s boundaries. Obama has
effectively stated he will take your rights and
money but for a good purpose – government power to
protect your right to have rights and money? This is
precisely what Thrasymachus warned about and every
law professor when confronted with this question
would have responded – that is not law.
Nevertheless, Obama has stood for the
proposition that justice is merely the self-interest
of the stronger – government.
Anyone who thinks I am exaggerating this in
any possible way should look at what Obama
said himself. In July 2011 over the debt
ceiling, Obama said publicly that he would like to
“bypass Congress and change the laws on my own.” He
said this again in June 2014 with respect to
immigration reform. This is what one expects from a
dictator – not an elected official who pretends to
be a Constitutional lawyer. The very next year,
Obama then made his unconstitutional recess
appointments to the National Labor Relations
Board. Effectively, he bypassed Congress to
stuff his own people in positions without the
approval of the people. UNHEARD OF! Yet Obama also
said back in 2011: ”Sometimes when I talk to
immigration advocates, they wish I could just bypass
Congress and change the law myself, but that’s not
how a democracy works.”
The antics of the Obama-Holder tag-team have
displayed the audacity to argue in federal
courts what difference does it make? The
real curious phase is not only used by Obama-Holder
in court, when Hilary testified before Congress
regarding the attack if it was a protest of just
some guys out for a walk and decided to kill some
Americans she too simply replied – what difference
does it make? This is not a legal argument in any
court under any system of law that I am
aware of. It makes a huge difference for
even as Hillary tried to dismiss the attack, one is
an organized terrorist attack and the other is just
a random act of violence.
I am not the only one with a problem here
regarding the abuse of power of
Obama-Holder. In 2013, D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals
Judge Brett Kavanaugh wrote that the Obama
administration’s legal claims raised “significant
questions about the scope of the Executive’s
authority to disregard federal statutes.”
Obama’s praise of Holder one would think he
offhandedly saved the nation. Certainly not
from the abuse of government. The legal
precedents are shocking and very alarming. These
people never get it. Obama expands the reach of the
Presidency and the next one comes in and always
expands it further. Nobody ever reforms. So
unfortunately, we are headed down the creek in a
boat that is leaking without a paddle. Our children
will never know the world in which we grew up
when once upon a time there use to be a
friendly face behind every badge.
-RR
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