[sparkscoffee] Re: Obama & Holder Destroy the Constitution
- From: "schalestock@xxxxxxxx" <schalestock@xxxxxxxx>
- To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 12:26:52 GMT
Lee, Since you asked... I was playing in college in the sixties (American
University in DC) and also with the British embassy when the first pro team
(Washington Darts) was formed. I met the coach (Charlie "Cannonball Fleming" at
a party at the embassy and we became friends. Charlie had played for Sunderland
when they were the English powerhouse and got his nickname, "Cannonball"
because he was said to have the hardest shot in English soccer at the time.
The owner of the team (another Scotsman - Norman Sutherland), being the cheap
skate he was, hired 7 of the Jamaican national team. They weren't bad players
but not at the level of our competition. Norman then brought over a couple of
Scottish internationals, Billy Fraser who had played in England for
Huddersfield and then Hearts in Edinburgh, and Johnny Kerr who went on to have
a great career in America. He played for the legendary Cosmos in New York
along with Pele and Beckenbauer and eventually became the players rep for the
league. He was a great guy and a great player. His son John Jr who I helped
coach as a kid, went on to be the first American born player to play in the
English First Division. Billy was only 21 at the time and a terrific player.
We ended up rooming together and he taught me a lot. Norman thought it would be
good to have :"token" American on the team so I ended up training with them
under an amateur contract. (keep in mind that in the '60s, except for St. Louis
and Baltimore, Americans playing soccer were minimal. In fact, when we would
give clinics, maybe only 5 kids (dragged by their mothers) would even show up.
We've come a long way in this country for sure! We played Santos in an
exhibition game at RFK stadium when Pele was still playing for them. What a
night! We were up 3 - 0 at halftime an the Jamaicans were going crazy. Billy
just laughed and told me, wait for the second half. (he had played against
Santos in Europe.) Sure enough, we lost 7-3. Pele and the boys were just
being polite to their hosts in the first half. (which I found out later was
their normal procedure when playing exhibitions against inferior teams.) It
was like a switch was thrown and we (mostly the Jamaicans) were like not even
in the game. I then went out to LA and played with Thistle FC, another Scottish
team based in Santa Monica. That too was a learning experience. When I started
going to sea on a regular basis, I would look for a pick up game in whatever
country I was in. Two stick in my memory. Beach soccer in Santos went on 24/7
under the lights, complete with Samba music and barbeque's. In Buenos Aires,
at the Areoparke by the river, it was like a Serengeti Plains of football on
the weekends - dozens of games going on. One neat thing about the Argentines
(back then at least) was that during the off season, the pros would join in
these games. (nothing you would see from an American professional team!) I
actually played in a pickup game with Maradona present ! I continued to play,
moving down the geezer food chain into the Sunday amateur leagues until I was
60 years old. I 'd still be playing except for making a cosmic mistake. When at
a soccer reunion of guys I had played with and against for 30 years, I made the
mistake of saying I had never had a knee injury (all the others were showing
their scars.) I forgot the universe is always listening. The very next weekend
game, I went up for a header and my cleats caught in the rutted ground. Felt
the knee go and knew (before I hit the ground) that my career was over. I had a
good long run so can't complain. Though I DO miss the game. I play a lot of
golf now. Another challenge ! (and new obsession.) JS
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Lee, NI7I" <pixiehat@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Obama & Holder Destroy the Constitution
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 16:11:50 -0700
Were you a professional� footballer?� We (or at least I tend to)
tend to forget that most of us had other lives outside going to sea for a
living.� Would
love to hear some of your (cleaned up versions) stories of professional sports.
Lee
NI7I
On 10/5/2014 10:54 AM, schalestock@xxxxxxxx wrote:RR�You put your finger
on something that I have always found amazing and utterly illogical. Treat them
like they treat others and they cry like babies.�I used to see this on
the soccer field. 30 something yuppies, thinking they were being "clever" would
intentional trip or kick other players.� Having played professionally
against hard men who never did anything they didn't mean to,�it first
made me laugh and then angry. When I retaliated, the referee never saw it. But
these pathetic babies would squeal like little girls. How DARE anyone do what
they were doing to others. This, as you say, is their mentality - and why
nothing short of a punch in the nose will ever get through to
them.��JS
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Obama & Holder Destroy the Constitution
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 11:26:05 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
JS,
You don't seem to understand Stanley's culture. With these people your are
either with them or against them. They are no different than ISIS except they
are a little more tactful and they cry like babies when they are treated the
same way they treat others.
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: "schalestock@xxxxxxxx" <schalestock@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Oct 5, 2014 10:37 AM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Obama & Holder Destroy the Constitution
Stanley,�I can only marvel at the labyrinth of your mind. What is hell
does FDR have to do with Churchill's comments on democracy?� Inquiring
minds would like to know.� Can you please try an stay focused on the
point under discussion.�JS
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for DMARC)
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Obama & Holder Destroy the Constitution
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 11:59:00 -0400
�
JSThis post of yours exposes how short sighted, shallow thinking�a
memory you have. Winston Churchill owes FDR for saveing England from most
likely a successful invasion by Hitler when they signed a Lend-lease agreement
and 50 older Destroyers and a lot of other war material was given�almost
immediately. It was you who pissed all over FDR for getting us into�WW2
which Hitler might have won if we didn't get into�which was one good
war�that must be�won. In my humble opinion WC would
think�quite lowly of your condemnation of long sighted FDR although most
everyone has some faults including them, me and you.�Comrade B, the
realist mensch�����-----Original Message-----
From: schalestock <schalestock@xxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sat, Oct 4, 2014 12:33 pm
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Obama & Holder Destroy the Constitution
RR�Well, as Churchill said, "Democracy is the worst form of government
except for all the others."� I think what he was really getting at is
that democracy, illusory or otherwise, is a vicarious substitue for violence
and anarchy.� Which fits nicely with Jefferson's observation that
American democracy can only work if the elected have some modicum of
integrey.� We see the proof of that with Obama - albeit the negative
side of the coin.�JS
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Obama & Holder Destroy the Constitution
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 10:00:36 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
�JS,
It seems to me that anybody who votes for one party or another, Democrat or
Republican, is a socialist since voting for any party is collectivism.�
I see no fundamental differences between the two parties.� They only
pretend to have differences.
I agree that things are going to get a lot worse.� I see no other
possible outcome, at least for the vast majority of Americans. The new
definition of success will be just to survive.
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: "schalestock@xxxxxxxx" <schalestock@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Oct 4, 2014 5:04 AM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Obama & Holder Destroy the Constitution
RR�A thoughtful and interesting post. Personally, I think the rising
tide of lawlessness in this country can, in part, be laid at the feet of the
Obama/Holder dictatorship. People sense that the law is meaningless anymore -
Or as Obama is positing, the law is what I say it is.�One only has to
read Obama's book, Dreams of my Father, to gain an insight into his
mindset.� His absent, psychopathic racist�father told him that he
believed in 100% taxation with the "government" dispensing favors to the
compliant. This is the classic African tribal chief mentality - all power, all
privilege, no responsibility.� When you couple this with Obama's
neurotic ditsy mother and his hard core Socialist grandparents, its little
wonder he thinks and acts as he does.�But the supreme irony is that
enough of the American people bought into his bullshit about "fundamentally
changing America".�� Just the statement alone should have been
enough to raise the red flag. But the voting demographics that elected him tell
the whole tale. 90% African Americans (not surprising), the stupid white
(educated) females and their wimp eunuch cohorts, and of course, the cynical
democrat politicians that don't give a rat's ass about the country as long as
they stay in power.�I'm afraid things are going to have to get a lot
worse before they get better - if in fact they ever do before we are
irrevocably and "fundamentally changed".�JS
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Obama & Holder Destroy the Constitution
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:34:35 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
�Posted on October 3, 2014 by Martin Armstrong
I have studied Constitutional Law intensely and I can say with conviction that
history will indeed remember Eric Holder and his mentor Obama for much more
than merely the top 9 controversial issues everyone writes about. Mr.
Holder�s more than five years as the nation�s chief legal officer
has been absolutely devastating to the future of the nation and the Rule of
Law. This goes far beyond merely the NSA, IRS scandal and the State Department
scandals.
Barack Obama �s White House has done serious long-term damage to the
world economy and the civil rights of every American. Obama and Holder pushed
the authority of the executive branch of the federal government far beyond any
democratic process. The administrative agencies under the Executive branch have
gone well beyond the edge of the Constitution and law in a systemic manner that
is truly breath-taking. Unlike previous presidencies where there was just one
controversial instance, the Obama-Holder team have embarked on virtually a
dictatorship under the pretense of democracy. I do not say this lightly nor as
a political partisan.
Everyone who has ever studied law had basic rules that government simply could
not go beyond � they just can�t do that! Everyone in the legal
community if they spoke freely has now learned that what they took for granted
as clear meaning of existing law just no longer applies. Once you undermine the
Rule of Law, everything else collapses for in the end game, you cannot even
prove you own anything when it is subject to interpretation and discretion.
In 2011, the Obama-Holder tag-team just did what they wanted anyway ignoring
the Judiciary regarding off-shore oil drilling. Believe it or not, Federal
Judge Martin Feldman found the government in contempt holding: �Each
step the government took following the court�s imposition of a
preliminary injunction showcases its defiance.� Of course nobody goes to
jail for how can you order the Justice Department to put itself in jail for
contempt? This is why we need an independently elected Roman Tribune who can
prosecute anyone in government and is outside the Executive Branch. We call
that a Special Prosecutor to investigate a president � well we need a
real elected office of Tribune to secure the Constitution and be able to
criminal charge Obama, Holder, or John Boehner .
The Obama-Holder� tag-team has effectively made federal legal authority
boundless eliminating any restraint upon government as Obama justified the
actions of the NSA saying you have to give up liberty to be safe. �I
think the American people understand that there are some trade-offs
involved,� Obama said when questioned by reporters at a health care
event in San Jose, Calif. He also famously said: �It�s important
to recognize that you can�t have 100 percent security and also then have
100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience,� he said.
�We�re going to have to make some choices as a society. And what
I can say is that in evaluating these programs, they make a difference in our
capacity to anticipate and prevent possible terrorist activity.�
The question is � safe from whom? Obama stands in history directly in
opposition to those who founded this nation. In Belgium Obama clearly stated
the struggle between the state and the people. His address in Belgium to the
European Youth who are suffering unemployment levels almost three times that of
the Great Depression on March 26, 2014 obviously demonstrates he knows what he
is doing to tear down democracy.
� �The belief that through conscience and free will, each of us
has the right to live as we choose.� The belief that power is derived
from the consent of the governed, and that laws and institutions should be
established to protect that understanding.� And those ideas eventually
inspired a band of colonialists across an ocean, and they wrote them into the
founding documents that still guide America today, including the simple truth
that all men � and women � are created equal.
�But those ideals have also been tested � here in Europe and
around the world.� Those ideals have often been threatened by an older,
more traditional view of power.� This alternative vision argues that
ordinary men and women are too small-minded to govern their own affairs, that
order and progress can only come when individuals surrender their rights to an
all-powerful sovereign. �
�And just as we meet our responsibilities as individuals, we must be
prepared to meet them as nations.� Because we live in a world in which
our ideals are going to be challenged again and again by forces that would drag
us back into conflict or corruption.� We can�t count on others to
rise to meet those tests.� The policies of your government, the
principles of your European Union, will make a critical difference in whether
or not the international order that so many generations before you have strived
to create continues to move forward, or whether it retreats.�
Obama has stated clearly that he has come full circle. He believes that right
must be surrendered to the sovereign government for only it can defend freedom
by taking it from the people. This is very strange logic.
The Obama-Holder theory of law has been mind-blowing. Essentially, they stand
for the proposition that the needs of justice supersede the law�s
boundaries. Obama has effectively stated he will take your rights and money but
for a good purpose � government power to protect your right to have
rights and money? This is precisely what Thrasymachus warned about and every
law professor when confronted with this question would have responded �
that is not law. Nevertheless, Obama has stood for the proposition that justice
is merely the self-interest of the stronger � government.
Anyone who thinks I am exaggerating this in any possible way should look at
what Obama said himself. In July 2011 over the debt ceiling, Obama said
publicly that he would like to �bypass Congress and change the laws on
my own.� He said this again in June 2014 with respect to immigration
reform. This is what one expects from a dictator � not an elected
official who pretends to be a Constitutional lawyer. The very next year, Obama
then made his unconstitutional recess appointments to the National Labor
Relations Board. Effectively, he bypassed Congress to stuff his own people in
positions without the approval of the people. UNHEARD OF! Yet Obama also said
back in 2011: �Sometimes when I talk to immigration advocates, they wish
I could just bypass Congress and change the law myself, but that�s not
how a democracy works.�
The antics of the Obama-Holder tag-team have displayed the audacity to argue in
federal courts what difference does it make? The real curious phase is not only
used by Obama-Holder in court, when Hilary testified before Congress regarding
the attack if it was a protest of just some guys out for a walk and decided to
kill some Americans she too simply replied � what difference does it
make? This is not a legal argument in any court under any system of law that I
am aware of. It makes a huge difference for even as Hillary tried to dismiss
the attack, one is an organized terrorist attack and the other is just a random
act of violence.
I am not the only one with a problem here regarding the abuse of power of
Obama-Holder. In 2013, D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Brett Kavanaugh
wrote that the Obama administration�s legal claims raised
�significant questions about the scope of the Executive�s
authority to disregard federal statutes.�
Obama�s praise of Holder one would think he offhandedly saved the
nation. Certainly not from the abuse of government. The legal precedents are
shocking and very alarming. These people never get it. Obama expands the reach
of the Presidency and the next one comes in and always expands it further.
Nobody ever reforms. So unfortunately, we are headed down the creek in a boat
that is leaking without a paddle. Our children will never know the world in
which we grew up when once upon a time there use to be a friendly face behind
every badge.
-RR
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