[sparkscoffee] Re: Loyalty

  • From: R George <xgeorge@xxxxxxx>
  • To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 06:26:34 -0700

RR,

"Human labor has been replaced by machines." yes, and it won't be long till humans are no longer needed in large
numbers for production and that includes just about everything.

A Japanese company is to open the world’s first “robot farm”, as agriculture joins other sectors of the economy in attempting to fill labour
shortages created by the country’s rapidly ageing population.

Spread, a vegetable producer, said industrial robots would carry out all but one of the tasks needed to grow the tens of thousands of lettuces
it produces each day at its vast indoor farm in Kameoka, Kyoto prefecture, starting from mid-2017.

The robots will do everything from re-planting young seedlings to watering, trimming and harvesting crops.
The innovation will boost production from 21,000 lettuces a day to 50,000 a day, the firm said, adding that it planned to raise that figure to
half a million lettuces daily within five years.

Combine this with new estimates from the UN.

Think the world is crowded now? You haven’t seen anything yet.
The world is expected to add another billion people within the next 15 years, bringing the total global population
from 7.3 billion in mid-2015 to 8.5 billion in 2030, 9.7 billion in 2050, and 11.2 billion by 2100,

There is NO politician who can bring back 1955.

Blade Runner really had the future down pat.

RG


On 10/25/2016 4:35 PM, Ron Ristad wrote:

JS and RG,
Abraham Lincoln, the early socialists and Karl Marx all lived when the economy was agricultural. Back then everything was done with human labor. There weren't any machines. Back then labor was "prior to and independent of capital" for the most part. The land owner invested no capital, did no work, yet received the lion's share of the profit.

Nowadays the situation is almost completely reversed. Capital is everything. *Human labor has been replaced by machines*. Manufacturing creates wealth. Building factories requires capital. This is what Capitalism means.

Taxes and consumption decrease capital and leads to poverty. This is something that socialists cannot seem to grasp. This is something poor people never seem to grasp. The road to personal wealth is savings and investment. The road to poverty is consumption. Buying things on credit is a short cut to poverty.

Modern socialists think they have gotten around the need for capital by replacing real money with paper that is backed by nothing and can be printed in unlimited quantities. This can work for awhile because people still believe that paper money is worth something. But it's really nothing more than a Ponzi Scheme. This is why the stock market keeps going up despite the failing economy. All the money that is being printed out of thin air and given to the Wall St. banks at zero percent interest is being used to buy stocks.

One would think that money that is soon to become worthless would also be used to buy tangible things like gold, and that the price of gold would be going through the roof. The reason it isn't is the same reason that in Lincoln's time human labor was more important than land. Without human labor the land wouldn't be worth anything. Land in and of itself has no value. Gold in and of itself is just a shiny metal. You can't even eat it.

Today the only thing that is worth anything is factories and if America keeps losing factories it will be nothing more than a poor banana republic. It's already more than half way there. This is quite likely the last opportunity America will ever have to turn things around and make America wealthy again. Trump's plan to (1) reduce the corporate tax rate to 15% to attract corporations to move their factories here, (2) renegotiate NAFTA and other trade agreements to create a level playing field for American manufacturers, and (3) charge import duties on manufacturers who move their factories overseas is the ONLY possible way to save America. Nothing else matters. Without that we will have NOTHING.

-RR


    -----Original Message-----
    From: "schalestock@xxxxxxxx"
    Sent: Oct 25, 2016 3:58 PM
    To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Loyalty

    Ron,
    With all due respect,  what you fail to factor is the inevitable
    corruption of the the union. You don't have to look any further
    than our own ARA. Steinberg rigged elections FOREVER. And I CAN
    PROVE IT. Which means nothing at this stage of the game.  I would
    humbly suggest that you can make no points using unions as
    examples pro or con.   Just saying..
    73
    JS

    ---------- Original Message ----------
    From: R George <xgeorge@xxxxxxx>
    To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Loyalty
    Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 15:50:07 -0700

    *Abraham Lincoln declared
    <http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=29502>**: *“Labor is prior
    to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, **
    **and could never have existed if labor had not first existed.
    Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves **
    **much the higher consideration.”*
    *



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