[sparkscoffee] Re: Follow up Re: Response to the shallow thinking nit pic...
- From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea@xxxxxxxx>
- To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 20:42:18 -0500
You're not going to hear anything about Russia and her atrocities because
Russia is a member is a member of the UN Security council and has vetoed
every and all such resolutions of the General Assembly of the UN.
Remember the White Russians - those brave Russians who fought the Reds.
There is a book written that talks about how passionate the Russian
BelloRussian Jews were - some were for the whites some for the reds.
But too many died.
David
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On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 5:08 PM, <Sblumen123@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> **
> Hook, line, sinker, swallower, road inspecter, car counter, wealth expert
>
> Have you heard of the United Nations to which all countries of the world
> send representatives? Did you see in today's news that the U.N. Human
> Rights office said that more then 60,000 people have died in Syria's
> bloody internal war? Have you ever heard any U.N. confirmation that
> 60,000,000 people were murdered by Joseph Stalin or even Adolph Hitler?
> What was the total population of the USSR then and consider how
> demoralizing it would be for those allowed to live? In fact have you ever
> heard of any natural disaster take that many lives?
>
> What ever you have to say about the way Joe Stalin handled the war as
> their leader after all of Europe with the exception of island England had
> easily surrendered, the USSR gave a pretty good account of themselves
> and if not for them Hitler's prediction of a thousand year rule had a
> pretty
> good chance of becoming true. Is that well documented?
>
> Does your research agree that there is a 25 to 30 billion trade
> deficit every
> month? What do you think China does with that monthly income, deposit
> it in a Swiss Bank account in the names of the iron fisted communist
> leaders?
>
> Why would so many Auto Manufacturers Joint Venture Manufacturing plants
> in China if the Chinese were so poor and their roads were the same? Among
> lots of other items they are big on manufacturing auto parts so I am not
> talking assembly plants.
>
> If poor China can make a grid of 186 MPH mass transportation Bullet Trains
> and Tracks couldn't they also make paved roads, airports, seaports, etc?
>
> Your source of cuckoo figures can only be done by anti socialist wacko's if
> you know how to think. Remember H.R. 5542, eventually it will be passed.
>
> Comrade B
>
> In a message dated 1/2/2013 4:27:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>
> Stan,
> The number of citizens murdered by the Bolsheviks has been well
> documented. I gave you a link to the University of Hawaii website which
> lists over 100 references including official Soviet documents.
>
> 62 million were murdered from 1917-1987. 13 million were murdered during
> WWII, but some for desertion. From wikipedia:
>
> On August 16, 1941, in attempts to revive a disorganized Soviet defense
> system, Stalin issued Order No.
> 270<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_No._270>,
> demanding any commanders or
> commissars<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commissars>"tearing away their
> insignia and deserting or surrendering" to be
> considered malicious deserters. The order required superiors to shoot these
> deserters on the
> spot.[135]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_World_War_II#cite_note-135>Their
> family members were subjected to arrest.
> [136]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_World_War_II#cite_note-stalinswars98-136>The
> second provision of the order directed all units fighting in
> encirclements to use every possibility to
> fight.[136]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_World_War_II#cite_note-stalinswars98-136>
> [136]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_World_War_II#cite_note-stalinswars98-136>The
> order also required division commanders to demote and, if necessary,
> even to shoot on the spot those commanders who failed to command the battle
> directly in the
> battlefield.[136]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_World_War_II#cite_note-stalinswars98-136>Thereafter,
> Stalin also conducted a purge of several military commanders
> that were shot for "cowardice" without a
> trial.[136]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_World_War_II#cite_note-stalinswars98-136>
>
> But wait it gets better...
>
> In June 1941, weeks after the German invasion began, Stalin directed that
> the retreating Red Army also sought to deny resources to the enemy through
> a scorched earth policy of destroying the infrastructure and food supplies
> of areas before the Germans could seize them, and that partisans were to be
> set up in evacuated
> areas.[55]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_World_War_II#cite_note-stalinswars90-55>This,
> along with abuse by German troops, caused starvation and suffering
> among the civilian population that were left behind. Stalin feared that
> Hitler would use disgruntled Soviet citizens to fight his regime,
> particularly people imprisoned in the
> Gulags<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulags>.
> He thus ordered the NKVD <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD> to take care
> of the situation <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_prisoner_massacres>.
> They responded by murdering around one hundred thousand political prisoners
> throughout the western parts of the Soviet Union, with methods that
> included bayoneting people to death and tossing grenades into crowded cells.
> [137]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_World_War_II#cite_note-137>Many
> others were simply deported east.
> [138]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_World_War_II#cite_note-138>
> [139]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_World_War_II#cite_note-139>
>
> You can read more here:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_World_War_II
>
> -RR
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sblumen123@xxxxxxx
> Sent: Jan 2, 2013 2:45 PM
> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Follow up Re: Response to the shallow thinking
> nit pic...
>
> ****************
> Shmuk
> Where did you get the number that 12 million people were
> murdered by Stalin for desertion and that leaves another 50
> million people? Hook, Line and Sinker Swallower. When the
> Soviets were retreating at the beginning of the war they left
> behind a scorched earth, empty factories and most everyone
> left with them. Consider 8 million people live in all 5 boroughs
> of NYC, can you imagine what it would take to kill all men,
> women and children and then bury them, IDIOT.
> bury them
>
> Bolshevik B
>
>
> In a message dated 12/31/2012 8:47:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>
> Stan,
> There is a term for what you are experiencing. It's called "denial". You
> don't believe it because you don't want to. I posted a link to the
> University of Hawaii website where they list over 100 references including
> official Soviet records of all the people who were murdered by the
> government.
>
> Granted that many of the 12 million people murdered by Stalin during WWII
> was for desertion when the Nazi's were attacking and not for political or
> racial reasons but that still leaves another 50 million people.
>
> I am all for sharing wealth and helping other people. The problem with
> Socialism is that it's all a big lie. It gives too much power to the
> government. Ever since the beginning of human civilization governments and
> the rich people who control them, whether they be kings, warlords,
> dictators, presidents, mafia bosses, or any other form of government have
> squeezed every last drop of blood they could out of the common people for
> their own benefit. This is the human condition. It hasn't changed in all of
> human history and it's not likely to change anytime soon.
>
> -RR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sblumen123@xxxxxxx
> Sent: Dec 31, 2012 7:10 PM
> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Follow up Re: Response to the shallow thinking
> nit picker
>
> ****************
> Hey shallow thinking RR and JS
>
> Got any idea on how much 61.911,000 dead is? What was the
> population then and what was the percentage killed?
>
> In addition to Widows and Orphans let us not forget Mothers, Fathers,
> Grandparents, Brothers, Sisters, Uncles, Aunts, Cousins both sexes
> and then there are inlaws. Think of all the property and possesions
> left behind. also buisnesses, Borrowers, Lenders, Customers for
> food, clothes, tax payers, etc. The streets, stores, schools, synagogs,
> Churchs would become empty, Banks and buisnesses and Country
> would go Bankrupt. We know about deaths but how about births and
> hospitals and Doctors and Soldiers and Sailors for the future? Yee Gads.
>
> Do you understand the points I am trying to make?
>
> Bolshevik Blumenthal
>
> In a message dated 12/31/2012 4:10:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> Sblumen123@xxxxxxx writes:
>
> RR and JS, both of whom evade responding to my points
> Hook, Line and Sinker Swallowers
>
> I agree that others suffered the same holocaust as the Jews
> and are mentioned but not nearly as much but is that the fault
> of the Jews including me? Note I do not deny it.
>
> Note the world by and large blames Hitler and the Germans,
> not the Russians. Only a few wackos come up with figures like
> 61,911,000 which is way more then Hitler is accused of and
> more then a third of the USSR's population murdered and
> zero figures on how much widows and orphens remained.
> Hitler had multiple concentration camps, gas chambers,
> shooting sites, over loaded trains and marches, all
> backed up with pictures, documents, graves and surviving
> witnesses and just plain witnesses with books, museums,
> trials, TV specials, lectures, etc. Where are the graves of
> 62 million? Then there is always ill meaning wackos that deny
> there ever was a holocaust and of course anti socialists with
> their ax to grind..
>
> With almost 62 million dead and the resulting widows and
> orphans how did the Russians produce the weapons of war and
> put up their fierce fight against an enemy flushed with easy
> victories, captured weapons and full of self confidence of invince
> ability while the USSR stood alone? The terror of 62 million dead
> does not make a good fighting defense population. Would you
> fight or join the invincable Germans with that kind of domestic
> terror?
>
> RR boasts that he doesn't go by what someone says but what
> they do so where is the do documentation? Why no specials like
> the ones on Hitler? Even in our country?
>
> Don't you agree denying there was a Jewish holocaust should be
> a crime? Also the Russians after denying it finally admitted that
> Polish Officers were ordered murdered as being too smart by
> Stalin when they divided Poland with Hitler. Don't think that I deny
> or approve such a terrible happening. Neither do I approve of what
> we did to Viet Nam.
>
> How many times do I have to repeat the above?
>
> Bolshevik Blumenthal
>
> In a message dated 12/30/2012 10:46:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>
> Actually the total number of citizens murdered by the Soviets from
> 1917-1987 was 61,911,000.
>
> 3,284,000 Victims: The Civil War Period 1917 to 1922
> 2,200,000 Victims: The NEP Period 1923-1928
> 11,440,000 Victims: The Collectivization Period 1928-1935
> 4,345,000 Victims: The Great Terror Period 1935-1938
> 5,104,000 Victims: Pre-World War II Period 1939 to June, 1941
> 13,053,000 Victims: World War II Period June, 1941 to 1945
> 15,613,000 Victims: Post-War and Stalin's Twilight Period 1945-1953
> 6,872,000 Victims: Post-Stalin Period 1954-1987
>
> References:
> http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/USSR.REFERENCES.HTM
>
> Bolshevik Jews such as Stanley claim it never happened. But did you know
> that it's a felony to deny the so-called Jewish Holocaust in socialist
> countries that is punishable by up to 5 years in prison?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial
>
> And why is it called the "Jewish" Holocaust when in fact 5 million
> non-Jews died in the same Nazi labor camps? Why do we never hear about
> those other people? Do they not count?
>
> -RR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "schalestock@xxxxxxxx" <schalestock@xxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Dec 30, 2012 7:40 AM
> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Response to the shallow thinking nit picker
>
> **
> Stan,
>
> Any way you want to parse it, the historical record confirms the death of
> 20 million at the hands of Stalin and the Bolsheviks. Hardly a nitpicking
> matter.
> Just saying...
>
> JS
> **
>
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>
> ****
>
> “Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I
> have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common
> sense.” - Buddha
>
> ****
>
> “Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I
> have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common
> sense.” - Buddha
>
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