Liz to you do still keep bees? I have two bee hives myself at home and have been bee keeping for only just over a year now and yes using it in my soap. I did not use it in my swap soap as i wanted to keep my soap white. I haven't used the soaps yet. I like to sit on them looking at them for some time cause once used of course they are gone. I was not aware that alkanet might stifle lather Liz? Liz sent me a small version of the swap soap some time ago with a orange one the same size and i thought they looked fantastic together. They would also look cool if the soap was half of each.........half almost black and half almost orange. I like the chunkiness of the bar and i can see that it is truly full of good ingredients more so than some I have bought. I did a buy up before Xmas of soaps from Trade Me and I can tell you that some the the most expensive were the poorest soaps in look, lather etc. I had invited one ladie who will remain nameless and not on the list to join and she had said that she only did medicinal soap and was not interested in craft soaps........i was a little taken back as i make soaps for there color, smell and often for their therapeutic qualities. She sent me about 12 bars of soap all nearly exactly the same. They were re-milled soaps with fragrance and smelt and looked like pamolive. I gave them to my mother. Gina Roberts Soapcraft www.soapcraft.co.nz