Gene- Andy has a good idea, especially if you are measuring the voltage across the coils directly with a scope probe and the input to the scope is set to 1 Meg Ohms. In this case you probably are sensitive to capacitive coupling. Maybe put a low resistor (like 100 Ohms) across the ends of the coils and measure the voltage across the resistor. Keep in mind that at 2 MHz, the wavelength is 500 feet, so in the lab you are always in the near field coupling. If you are using an rf pre-amp, then try to find one with a low input impedance. --eric ************************************** Dr. Eric Bogatin, Signal Integrity Evangelist Bogatin Enterprises, LLC Setting the Standard for Signal Integrity Training 26235 w 110th terr Olathe, KS 66061 v: 913-393-1305 f: 913-393-0929 c:913-424-4333 e:eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.BeTheSignal.com Upcoming Signal Integrity Classes San Diego: EPSI, BBDP, July 28-31, 2008 San Jose, SICT, Aug 12-13 San Jose, EPSI, BBDP, Sept 29-Oct 2 **************************************** -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrew Ingraham Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:44 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: loop antenna (mis)behavior Gene, I may not be correct in my use of "electrostatic," and yes, the prefix does imply static conditions; but I believe that's not always the case. What I was referring to was plain old capacitive effects, not an RF field. (Which admittedly is somewhat questionable this close, relative to a wavelength, between antennas.) What I was trying to imply, is that you have two pieces of metal which are near one another. The fact that they are formed into loops doesn't matter. You've excited one of them (the TX one) with an overall voltage relative to ground, by driving it unbalanced. You take the other one and measure its voltage relative to ground, because it also isn't balanced. And you detect a signal. If you flip the polarity of the RX "loop" by reversing the grounded and sense ends, you're still going to detect the same exact signal, because it is being picked up by the capacitive coupling between the two pieces of metal that you call antennas. Or, perhaps, by the (capacitive) coupling into the scope probe/leads, or the leads to your RF preamp. Andy ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu