I have two data patterns of interest (I'll try text) both are a 4 burst of 4 type ----<xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>---- ----_________| |______------ In the first pattern we have an alternating 010101 type of pattern. The second pattern is all zero's with a 1 in the middle. The first pattern (more traditional) is intended to stabilize the transmission line before the measurement is made. We forget the first and last couple of edges and make rise/fall time measurements on each of the edges in the middle of the train. My thinking is that the second pattern will produce a slower edge because you have no activity and the BAM! You have to fill up all this trace capacitance and by the time you do that, the data is done. I guess my "rule of thumb" is what is stumping me. I look at the first pattern and go "ok, stable DC level, more repeatable results". I look at the second pattern and go "look at that inductive kick - what a reflection" or "how much is that edge going to roll over"... Anyone care to educate me on the transmission line behavior with the two patterns? Shane San Miguel ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu