Ibrahim, I used the word "loop" a little loosely since the return current is actually spread across a plane. Maybe we should switch to talking about the density of the magnetic field lines. I am envisioning that the density of the magnetic field lines between the signal and the guard goes UP compared to the same region without the guard because some of those field lines used to extend toward the other signal. However, the presence of return current in the guard means that the magnetic field lines remain partially contained between the guard and the signal, i.e. not as much flux reaches from one signal to the other. I say partially because some of them still go over the top in a microstrip structure. I hope my "intuition" is electromagnetically correct here because I certainly didn't solve Maxwell's equations anytime in the past 24 hours! To find the truth, we could run a field solver like Ansoft's 2D that plots the density of various field quantities. [begin gushing] Isn't field theory cool? It's got to be one of the most impressive achievements in human history. We can all make pictures in our heads of things we can't even see just because we all took the same class! Damned impressive. [end gushing] Greg Edlund Senior Engineer Signal Integrity IBM Engineering Solution Services 3605 Hwy. 52 N, Dept. HDC Rochester, MN 55901 gedlund@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: doubt about crosstalk. Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:13:45 -0500 From: "Ibrahim Khan" <ikhan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Greg, I have a question here. If the return current is also flowing in the guard trace then hav'nt we basically increased the loop size on both traces. Thanks Ibrahim Khan ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu