Jan, before you attack your cables, may I suggest that you switch to either double even mode terminations, or better, fully matched even and odd mode terminations? I suspect that your big problem is even mode resonances wiping out the CMIR of your receivers. Steve. At 02:48 AM 6/23/2006, jan.vercammen1@xxxxxxxx wrote: >si-list, > >I have a colleague who experiences problems with 660Mbit/s LVDS on a cat 6 >S/STP >cable (stranded coaxial overall shield, differential pairs are foil >shielded). The cable is >but 3m long. This LVDS chain is used in an industrial machine. > >One observes: works-->some bit-errors-->receiver cannot lock (for about >500-1000ns)--> >relock but some -->bit errors-->works. The errors hard to or impossible to >reproduce on a test bench >and they seem to occur at random. > >We do not know the cause but we are trying to improve the quality of the >LVDS chain, > >We use SER/DES 921224/921023 and they are terminated in 100ohm >(differentially). Crosstalk >measurements have not been performed. > >After checking the connector we found it to be cat 5, it is specified for >NEXT to only 100MHz. >The connector NEXT is much worse than the cable next, for example cable >NEXT is >90dB at 100MHz but only 40dB for the connector. > >Because the cable contains both transmit and receive we wonder if we need >to improve >the connector. Currently we are using a Tyco RJ45 connector (partnumber >406549-1), which >is cat 5. > >I searched the web but I find a large number of dstributors and Tyco does >not seem to >offer cat 6 RJ 45 PCB jacks. > > >My questions: >-1- are category 6 PCB mounted RJ45 jacks common? >-2- manufacturers?? >-3- any experience to share? > >Thank you in advance, > > >Jan Vercammen >EMC/Signal Integrity Engineer > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from si-list: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > >For help: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > >List FAQ wiki page is located at: > http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ > >List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.org > >List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu