Granted xtalk is a subjective matter, where acceptablity is determined board to board. However there is a general understanding of what are acceptable xtalk margins on most boards, i.e. generalized guidlines. I think this is what Jayaprakash was trying to ask Abdulrahman Rafiq Ed Sayre III wrote: Jayaprakash, I agree with Scott, moreover, xtalk is very subjective to the edge=20 rates/frequencies you are running. Also, if you are looking at xtalk in a= =20 model form, make sure the model is accurate to your needs. Lastly, make=20 sure you understand which xtalk you are worried about as they apply to your= =20 topology and architecture. Regards -Ed ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NORTH EAST SYSTEMS ASSOCIATES,INC -------------------------------------=20 "High Performance Engineering &Design" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dr. Edward Sayre 3rd e-mail: esayre3@xxxxxxxx[1] NESA, Inc. http://www.nesa.com/[2]235 Littleton Rd, Unit 2 Tel +1.978.392-8787 Westford,MA 01886 USA Fax +1.978.392-8686 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 09:37 AM 4/15/2005 -0400, Scott McMorrow wrote: Jayaprakash, That is a design decision that only you oryour board designer can decide. There are numerous articles in the literature that discuss this, and numerous standards documents that include crosstalk in their margin analysis. The PCI-X specification comes to mind as one that attemped to cover all noise sources in it's margin analysis. regards, Scott Scott McMorrow Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC 121 North River Drive Narragansett, RI 02882 (401) 284-1827 Business (401) 284-1840 Fax http://www.teraspeed.com[3] Teraspeed=AE is the registered service mark of Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC Jayaprakash wrote: Hi, What is the acceptable margin for cross talk in standard products? In other words, How impending cross talk problem is caught in simulations? Thanks, Kind regards, Jayaprakash. Balachandran Jayaprakash Celestijnenlaan, 3/61, 3001, Heverlee, Leuven, Belgium. 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