Here is another IPC presentation that identifies the factors which increase
cost of a PCB design.
www.ocipcdc.org/archive/PCB_Cost_Adders_06_2016.pdf<http://www.ocipcdc.org/archive/PCB_Cost_Adders_06_2016.pdf>
PCB Cost Adders IPC Designers Council Orange County
Chapter<http://www.ocipcdc.org/archive/PCB_Cost_Adders_06_2016.pdf>
www.ocipcdc.org
PCB Cost Adders IPC Designers Council Orange County Chapter June 15, 2016
Julie Ellis, Field Applications Engineer Julie.ellis@xxxxxxx 714-473-1867
Curt
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From: Curt McNamara
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Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] Re: Thieving Article
Great points. Thieving is commonly added (to both external and internal layers)
to increase yield.
Here is an IPC article that mentions this along with other best practice
recommendations.
Curt
http://ipc-rtp.org/past_files/A-Z__2013_IPC_RTP.pdf
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Alexander Ippich <alexander.ippich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Thieving Article
If I would have to get down to these fractions of cents, I would side with
Scott. However, the big influence is regarding manufacturability / yield.
That's why thieving is added.
Don't put it on, and you may find that the outerlayer design is to irregular
to get the plating right (overplating isolated features), causing scrap.
Similar with thieving on innerlayers, this time protecting isolated features
from too aggressive etching.
So my point of view would be, that allowing your PCB supplier to add
thieving (don't forget to give them rules, as Lee has mentioned) is going to
reduce overall PCB cost. Probably not in the short run (cost models are most
likely not that detailed), but it can have an impact on yield and then on
your ability to negotiate cost reductions.
Best regards,
alex
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Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Thieving Article
On the other side, there is less copper available for recycling. I'd guess
it is a push in terms of cost.
Scott McMorrow, CTO Signal Integrity Group Samtec Office 401-284-1827 |
+1-800-726-8329 www.samtec.com<http://www.samtec.com>
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Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Thieving Article
My guess would be that if anything it will result in slightly LOWER
manufacturing cost because you etch away less copper, thus consume less
etchant.
From:Abe Riazi <riaziabe@xxxxxxxxx>
To:leeritchey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date:16.11.2017 16:35
Subject:[SI-LIST] Re: Thieving Article
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Hi Lee,
I reviewed your interesting article entitled "Thieving in Printed Circuit
Boards", and have two question:
1. Does thieving has any effect on "thermal" performance of the board ?
2. Does it increase the PCB manufacturing cost?
Thank you in advance for your response.
Abe
On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Lee Ritchey <leeritchey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I am often asked what the extra small dots are on the outer layers ofmany
dense PCBs. It is called thieving and I wrote an article explainingwhat
it is and why it is used. You can download a copy from our web site
www.speedingedge.com<http://www.speedingedge.com>
<http://www.speedingedge.com> .
Lee Ritchey
Speeding Edge
P.O. Box 817
Bodega Bay, CA
94923
408-781-0253
I just used the energy it takes
To get mad and wrote some blues.
Count Basie
Or:
Worry is like a rocking chair,
It keeps you busy but.
It doesn't get you anywhere.
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