Geoff, Doug, This example nicely shows the importance of proper power distribution design. The emission peaks correspond to the modal resonances of the PCB planes. As Doug points out in the article, moving the planes closer would reduce the emission about proportionally. However, if one wants to stay with a four-layer construction, reducing the plane separation is not a viable solution: it would either result in an unmanageably thin board, or if we add the tickhness back to the top/bottom dielectrics, in a dramatically reduced routing density. Nearby grounding vias would help, but in practical cases the two planes are at different DC potentials, so it must be a bypass capacitor rather than a stitching via. A single bypass capacitor will do little in the hundreds of MHz frequency range, even if it serves only one signal. Also, if we have wide busses instead of a single trace, trying to provide a return path locally to all of the layer transitions becomes much harder to implement. A more realistic and straightforward solution is to design the power-distribution network in such a way that it does not exhibit large resonances. In multi-layer boards, where we may also have ground-ground planes creating such cavities, the solution is stitching vias, but not necessarily near the layer transitions. We would just need to make sure that the large resonating cavity is broken up to sufficiently small blocks such that the lowest resonance frequency is safely above the highest frequency of excitation. Regards, Istvan Novak SUN Microsystems Geoff Stokes wrote: >Hi Doug > >In this experiment, you appear to have no plane vias adjacent to the >signal vias. What would happen if a few plane vias were added around >the transitions and fairly close by? > >Geoff Stokes >Systems Engineer >Zetex Semiconductors plc >Zetex Technology Park >Chadderton >Oldham >OL9 9LL >UK >=20 >+44-161-622-4857 >www.zetex.com >www.zetex.cn >=20 > >=20 >-----Original Message----- >From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >On Behalf Of Doug Smith >Sent: 03 May 2006 21:41 >To: SI-List >Subject: [SI-LIST] Routing Signals Between PWB Layers - Part 2 > >Hi All, > >I have been writing and recording again and have posted part 2 of my=20 >article on signals that change layers in a PWB. > >Abstract: Printed wiring board, PWB, signal paths must often change=20 >layers in a board stackup. Under some conditions this can cause=20 >problems. An emissions example is used to illustrate the conditions=20 >where changing layers can cause problems. > >The link to the article is the picture of the emissions plot at the=20 >bottom of the home page at http://emcesd.com . > >There is also an audio discussion of this article on my podcast site:=20 >http://emcesd-podcast.com where the direct link to the article is: > >http://emcesd-podcast.com/2006/may/2006-0503.mp3 > >Can't download mp3 files? Download the following instead: > >http://emcesd-podcast.com/2006/may/2006-0503.dcs > >After download, change the extension from .dcs to .mp3 and the file=20 >will then be able to play on most computers. Since the last HFNews=20 >there have been two new podcasts posted. > >Doug >--=20 >------------------------------------------------------- > ___ _ Doug Smith > \ / ) P.O. Box 1457 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Los Gatos, CA 95031-1457 > _ / \ / \ _ TEL/FAX: 408-356-4186/358-3799 > / /\ \ ] / /\ \ Mobile: 408-858-4528 >| q-----( ) | o | Email: doug@xxxxxxxxxx > \ _ / ] \ _ / Website: http://www.dsmith.org >------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu