Ryan, Did I read in your post correctly? "Hard Gold Electrolytic plating" Hard gold requires a thick nickel layer to be deposited on the transmission line first before gold and then, if you call it out, soldermask. Immersion gold process does not deposit nickel on the traces since soldermask is applied first. You will see quite unexpected results with your microstrip if you did not account for the ferro-magnetic effect of the nickel. The nickel will be around 150-180uin thick. Hope this helps, Bill Msg: #3 in digest Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:08:03 -0000 From: "ryansatrom" <ryan.satrom@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: R: Rogers4003 Board Characterization To All- Thanks to all who have posted. A little more background on the board (if interested): -Trace Thickness: Microstrip=3D16mil; Stripline=3D8mil (before fab - trace loses about 0.5mil on each side through manufacturing process) -Board Thickness ~200mil. -Layer Thickness =3D 8mil -Hard-gold electrolytic plating of 15-50mils thickness The launch structures, and a small portion of the trace was modeled in HFSS. I added a 0.3mil layer of soldermask (used FR4 material) to model. From all of your responses, it appears the most important parameters that i have not included in my models are surface roughness and frequency-dependent dielectric. HFSS can account for both of them. I will put those into the model and see if it helps. ED - I am not familiar with correlating sick and surface roughness. How can i correlate these values to the capacitance? Thank you very much for the replies. Any more thoughts will certainly be appreciated. If anybody is interested in working with some of the data, feel free to email me at ryan.satrom@xxxxxxxxxxxx Thanks again. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu