Doug Do you have any paper on this topic? Best Regards Zhangkun 2005.4.8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Smith" <doug@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <Istvan.Novak@xxxxxxx> Cc: <zhang_kun@xxxxxxxxxx>; <istvan.novak@xxxxxxx>; <ospyng@xxxxxxxxx>; <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] Re: How to Measure Ground Noise > Hi Zhangkun, Istvan, and the group, > > I would like to modify Istvan's response somewhat. > > Ground currents flowing from the circuit, through the probe ground > lead, and down the shield into the scope chassis typically (although > not always) dominates everything else. It is just L(of the ground > lead)di/di that creates a voltage across the probe from tip to ground > lead attachment point to the probe. The probe reads this voltage like > any other. This voltage is typically about 50 to 100 times larger than > what leaks through the probe cable shield. > > Doug > > Istvan Novak wrote: > > > Dear Zhangkun, > > > > If you connect the signal and ground pins of a probe together and > > connect both to a ground point on your system, the signal you see on the > > oscilloscope could be a combination of several things: close-field > > radiated noise picked up by the active probe head, radiated noise picked > > up by the cable connecting the probe head to the scope, large > > common-mode noise converted somewhere along the path due to saturation > > of circuitry, etc., etc. The purpose of such baseline measurement is not > > necessarily to identify the sources or these noise contributors one by > > one, rather to establish their cumulative effect as a lower limit of the > > measured values, below which you need to throw out the data. > > > > Best regards, > > Istvan > > .......lots of lines deleted > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------- > ___ _ Doug Smith > \ / ) P.O. Box 1457 > ========= Los Gatos, CA 95031-1457 > _ / \ / \ _ TEL/FAX: 408-356-4186/358-3799 > / /\ \ ] / /\ \ Mobile: 408-858-4528 > | q-----( ) | o | Email: doug@xxxxxxxxxx > \ _ / ] \ _ / Website: http://www.dsmith.org > ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu