Ben, While some people will disagree, I think Boundary Element Method BEM and Method of Moment are essentially the same. Some researchers in UK like to call it BEM while Professor Roger Harrington likes to call it MoM. What are the underlying algrithms of BEM and FEM is not important but the way they are optimized and intended target problems are worth noting. FEM is based on discretizing the entire simulation space. The resulting matrix to solve is therefore sparse. Based on the above characteristics, it is best for a closed enivornment like an electrical motor or mechanical enclosure. Since the matrix is sparse, typically it is solved by implicite methods, as a result you can trade accuarcy with speed by allowing the convergence to be less accurate and you will get your answer quick. The problem with discretizing the entire space is if you have an open boundary like transmission lines or planar structures like vias on pcb or package planes, you will end up needing a lot of discretize space to solve. On the other hand, BEM or MoM is based on discretizing just the boundary surface with the Green's functional. The resulting matrix is much smaller but dense. It is best for an open boundary enivornment since you only have to discretize the surface instead of the empty space. As a result, it is great for transmission line or PCB/package/connnector type problems since they are by definition open boundaries. However, because the matrix is dense, it is typically solved by explicit method and it takes time to pivot the matrix and there is not much you can trade off to speed things up. Put them into a smart programmers hand, both of them can get smiliar results in similar speed. But I would check the performance of a FEM simulator in open space problems and their accuracy compared with known closed form solutions. It is relatively easy to cheat by relaxing the convergence criteria to get a superfast simulation speed. HTH Chris -----Original Message----- From: Ben Rothchild [mailto:benrothchild@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:31 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] FEM/BEM/MOM Hello Everybody, When looking at Signal Integrity tools one comes across terms like FEM, BEM, MOM as well as some others like 2D, 2.5D,3D field solvers. Can somebody explain in extremely layman terms what they mean ( for a person with a background of undergraduate degree in Electrical engineering). Thank you very much Ben __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu