Hi Ben FEM Finite Element Method - I think maybe as used in Ansoft HFSS www.ansoft.com BEM Boundary Element Method http://www.wessex.ac.uk/conferences/2003/bem25/ MoM Method of Moments e.g. NEC, FEKO, AWR Microwave Office 3D solvers include Ansoft HFSS and CST Microwave Studio (Finite Integral method). www.cst.de I can see that the problem usually comes down to formulation of a lumped-element model of high frequency effects. The field solvers give linear network parameters, e.g S or Y to which the model must be fitted, or the parameters might be used directly in a simulator - that is possible for small systems in Cadence. Planar solvers are useful for dealing with PCB traces in the x-y plane, usually called 2 1/2 D because they give useful but not full description in the z-direction. Some 3D solvers are full-wave descriptions in terms of Maxwell's equations and that's clearly going to be the most accurate approach. It wasn't really practical until recently, when high speed desk top computing power became available at a reasonable price. The differences are mathematical - don't ask me too much about that! The main thing to understand is that a nodal circuit schematic analysis of any kind is a gross approximation, and the error increases with increasing frequency. This is because varying currents produce varying fields which cause couplings and radiation not represented in the schematic. A further complication is that the fields themselves inherently involve a time delay, and that makes extraction of lumped-element models extremely difficult. Just a little diversion to show the error in a schematic: An old example often quoted is the problem of connecting two one farad capacitors together by a switch; one is at 1V potential, the other zero. The initial energy is 1/2 CV**2 =3D 0.5 joule. After closing the switch th= ere is charge distribution, and energy =3D 1/8 +1/8 =3D 0.25 joule. Where did = the missing 0.25 joule go? If you did an electrical degree, you'd see the paradox. If you studied high frequencies, you'd know the answer. (I did a Physics degree, then built RF circuits, so for me a capacitor is not a capacitor.) The answer is 1) it's not physically possible to put two capacitors together at one point 2) therefore they are separated by a distance 3) therefore on closing the switch, the discharge current travels a distance 4) the conductors have finite conductivity 5) therefore there is a varying electromagnetic field and energy is dissipated and radiated 6) please don't talk about too much about inductance because it's only an approximation. 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