Dear Hocheol I agree with your view. Now, the EMC expert system could only check some simple rules, such as the fanout of decoupling capacitor, the return path of clock net. It is a rule checker indeed. Have you think about inserting simulation into the EMC expert system? It is glad to talk about this topic with you. Best Regards Zhangkun 2005.3.30 ----- Original Message ----- From: hocheol kwak <kwakhc@xxxxxxx> Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:47 am Subject: RE: [SI-LIST] Re: [Expert system] > Dear Se-Ho You > > I'm a consortium member of UMR. > As you may know, Expert system was originated from Artificial > Intelligence theory. it was not a unique tech. > EMC expert software which have released until now, has very > limited function comparing original concept. > also main software algorithm about EMC mechanism is under > developing continously, perhaps not completed forever. > > Originally, Commercial EMC expert software starts from two vendors > that they are also member; Vlewlogic(->Innoveda->Mentor) & > Incases(->Zuken) > Nowadays, their software focus on design rule checking function > than original AI algorithm. because Industry requests fast development > delivery than performance accuracy. If you like to know more > detail, feel free to ask. > > Best regards > > Hocheol(Laurenzo) Kwak > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 10:27 AM > To: yous@xxxxxxxxxxxx; SI List > Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: [Expert system] > > > Se-Ho You > > Based on my experience, it is not very difficult to construct a > EMC expert system. However, the efficiency of the rules would be > the most critical. A good EMC expert system need a good > "language", which could be understood by the logic engineer, EMC > engineer, PCB layout engineer. At last, the language should be > understood by the computer. There have been several commercial EMC > expert system. All these systems could describe the rule very > well. Unfortunately, good rule is lack. > > Hope this is helpful > > Best Regards > > Zhangkun > 2005.3.26 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <yous@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "SI List" <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:08 PM > Subject: [SI-LIST] [Expert system] > > > > To Dear All: > > > > Researchers in University of Rolla (UMR) and EMC related > companies have > > developed "expert system" to check or detect EMI and EMC problem > early.> > > I wonder whether EMC engineers actually use. If they use, then I > wonder to > > what applications they use. > > > > It looks like to me that there are lots of research going on in > UMR, but other > > than UMR, I cannot find any papers from any other research group. > > > > Thank you for your comments in advance. > > > > Thank you very much. > > Sincerely, > > Se-Ho You > > (cell) +1-303-818-4352 > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > To unsubscribe from si-list: > > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject > field> > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > > > For help: > > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > > > List FAQ wiki page is located at: > > http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ > > > > List technical documents are available at: > > http://www.si-list.org > > > > List archives are viewable at: > > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > > or at our remote archives: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > List FAQ wiki page is located at: > http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ > > List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.org > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu