Hi SI members I'm simulating DDR2 SSN for a Probe Card system for those that are not familiar with this application, Probe Card is an hardware application to physical connect DIE pads/bumps at wafer level to ATE system during Electric Wafer Sort In my case Probe-Card is build by a vertical needles that touch DIE pads + PCB During frequency domain analysis of my system, I got a strong PDN peak impedance around 1GHz This peak impedance was due to anti-resonance effect between PCB PDN system and needle PWR parasitic effect so during time domain analysis I got a strong and unreasonable AC noises also with only 2 switching DQ In my spice deck I only used IBIS model provided by silicon vendor and I excluded RLC package effects, since my application is contacting directly wafer. I think I should include chip power rail capacitance effect in order to filter high freq noises. But my question is: which C and R value should I use? Is these value included in IBIS model? NOTE: consider that I had to reduce number of PWR needles used for HFSS simulation, so I only selected those needles around my 8 DQ + 2 DQS So I think I should put a lower value of chip capacitance than total one Any comments from expert are more than welcome Thanks in advance Regards Cris ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu