Can I paraphrase? Mike - are you saying if there's a power distribution problem on the ASIC, proper board decoupling will at least prevent resonances from affecting the supply voltages to other parts at the PCB level? Chris - are you saying you agree, but if the driving device has a package-level power problem, the design is already in trouble, regardless of whether the resonance affects other devices or not? Todd. Todd Westerhoff SI Engineer - Hammerhead Networks 5 Federal Street - Billerica, MA - 01821 email:twester@xxxxxxxxxxx - ph: 978-671-5084 ============================================ "Oh, but ain't that America, for you and me Ain't that America, we're something to see Ain't that America, Home of the Free Little pink houses, for you and me" - John Mellencamp -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Chris Cheng Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:54 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Buried Capacitance thread comments (The whole t hing) Trick question, you are trying to pin a package noise issue to a PCB solution. The fact that there is an SSO problem on the package means you should solve it at the package level. Power/ground distribution has been choked between the package and PCB as such there is nothing you can do on the PCB power distribution to eliminate the noise. The noise will come out through the signals as ringing due to the SSO noise on high or low signals. I don't think you can decouple a signal out of noise. The more reason to cage the signal trace between i/o power and ground planes as striplines and stitch the pcb with both power and ground vias to form a faraday cage. Nothing you can do with Zycon planes. [MLC] For signal excitation, we are in absolute agreement. However, if the planar noise is caused by SSO effects on the chip power/ground interface(s), board resonances will be excited. Then, the BC approach is your (next?) best friend because of its basic low impedance and lossy characteristic at higher frequencies. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu