Hi SI-LIST, I have three rather specific questions regarding the use of thermal reliefs and could not find anything in the archives on this. This is a through-hole power supply pin carrying 20 amps. We are being directed to limit the number of ground breakout layers, which contain thermal reliefs, to just a couple of layers to meet solderability requirements. At the same time we are being directed to, in some cases, add additional current paths to the planes using extra vias because the thermal relief traces will experience excessive current based on IPC2221 trace temperature rise calculations. I am on-board and understand how the solderability requirements drive the breakout but have concerns about the limitations being imposed by the temperature rise calculations. IPC2221 based calculations in our case are being applied to thermal reliefs which are very short traces heat sunk to a large plane while the IPC data was collected on long traces with no special heatsinks. First, do you agree that IPC2221 is not a good way to go in determining the amount of current that is allowed to traverse a thermal relief? Second, short of a thermal analysis tool; is there any other way or data to provide some guidelines as to how much current is allowed to travel through power supply thermal reliefs? (Voltage drop across the thermal reliefs is acceptable.) Third, can anyone see anything wrong with doing this from a PI/SI perspective? I know there will be a millivolt or two extra drop due to the reduction in the number of ground planes feeding the supply but all of the ground planes are tied together with hundreds of vias at the load so that I believe there should not be any higher frequency SI or PI effects due to this small change at the supply?? Thanks for Listening, Ned Dempsher L-3 Communications ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu