Check the trace under a microscope. Edge roughness might be excessive, leading to a high distributed return loss. Also check the end to end resistance to see if it is reasonable. The conductivity of copper is around 5.88E7 Siemens/meter. Note that the cross section is a trapezoid when calculating cross sectional area. This is of little consequence for fat traces but at .0035" (88.9 microns), it matters. The microscope will tell you what to use for top and bottom width. Height is a matter of copper weight, about .0007" for 1/2 oz foil, but if your fab house plated the outside foil to something thicker as part of the hole plating process, that would increase the rms variation of the edges. Only your microscope knows for sure. Assuming that your driving and terminations are proper, something is wrong with those traces. Orin On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 12:05:07 -0400 "N. Paul Taddonio" <paul.taddonio@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > Dear Signal Integrity folks > I am running a PECL diff pair at 1 Gbps, the signal travels 2 inches > on 3.5 mil wide microstrip traces. Un-coupled. > > The driver output looks OK: an isolated pulse is about 1 nS wide. > But at the receiver via pair, I find a smeared out signal with > insufficient bandwidth. The pulse is now 1.6 nS wide at the > switching point. > > I can't get my analog simulation (microsim free eval) to duplicate > this effect. I am using ideal transmission line models. > > Do you expect 3.5-mil etch to cause significant dispersion for 1 > Gbps signals at a length of only 2-4 inches? > > Paul > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject > field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > > List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.net > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu