Andrew, yes it is crippled. I guess I should look into LT Spice. I found it impressive recently when I used it to simulate a variety of LT power supply designs. I haven't used it for SI sim. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Ingraham" <a.ingraham@xxxxxxxx> To: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 4:32 PM Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: 1 Gbps on 3.5 mil etch a hazard? >> I like to hear about the non linearity etc because I need ammunition to >> get >> my employer to spring for the full simulator. > > I can't tell you exactly how it would affect your simulation results... > > But consider this. ECL outputs tend to have a very low output > impedance (around 7 ohms) only as long as the emitter follower remains > on. But if one were to pull the output pin up by only a few tens of > millivolts, the transistor would turn off and that 7 ohms goes to > infinity ... well, very large. It won't stay like that continuously, > except for a few special ECL parts that were designed to 'drive' below > Vtt, thus allowing their outputs to go open-circuit when low. But it > could happen on reflections. And then a simplified linear model > doesn't show what happens at all. > > Why can't you use the ECL driver's SPICE model? Is it because it > would exceed the capabilities of PSpice's demo version? There are > other free SPICE programs out there (including LTspice) that are not > crippled. I'm not suggesting they will solve your simulation problems > thus making commercial software unnecessary; but LTspice (for example) > is far more capable than the PSpice demo. > > But I think you need to pay to get a simulator that understands IBIS. > > Regards, > Andy > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > > List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.net > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu