What you said is the key.? I have a mother/daughter who are totally bonded.? When I was deciding which pup to keep, Mom made the decision.? My favorite was not hers.? The pup she picked knows how to push her Mom's buttons but also knows exactly when to STOP!? Mom does not care for?her daughter's pups at all but was so happy to have her daughter back in the pack after weaning.? ? Mom and another unrelated bitch grew up together.? Everything was fine for almost 3 years.? However, both girls wanted to be Alpha.? If I corrected one, the other would get involved as well.? No major scuffles but I could see a potential problem.? Oh, they were fine with each other until a human was involved in the pack.? Then the competition ensued.? I then brought an intact male into the pack and the girl's friendship was over.? That said, one night, my neutered male, who hates the intact male, broke into my bedroom where I had the intact male and the other bitch sleeping with me.? The fight was on.? The boys were the aggressors.? They wanted to kill each other.? The girl grabbed scruffs and hung on, refusing to let go.? They did not try to kill each other, it was a stalemate.? The girls can still?play together with no males around and with very strict supervision.??But, the boys can only be close to each other in crates.??? Maybe it all depends on the individual temperments, relationships, pack history?and personalities of the dogs involved.? Not to mention the control that the breeder/owner has over their dogs.? Everyone seems to have had different experiences.? So, you have to look at your own dogs, the pack mentality you have and how much time you have to monitor every situation.? I know which dogs I can expose to young pups and which dogs to hold off on until the pups are a bit older.? Eventually all the dogs get to socialize with the pups before they go to their new homes.? But, that is what works for me and may not be for everyone.? JMHO Laura Laura -----Original Message----- From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx To: windwych@xxxxxxxxx; irrenhaus4@xxxxxxxxxxx; gsdramey@xxxxxxx; lfossland@xxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:34 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: whelping areas and other dogs My alpha bitch, Becky, is now over 10. She has always accepted other bitches IF they have come in as puppies. From that point, they have been hers, she sets the boundaries and all is well. If she corrects an impudent youngster for some perceived insult, I leave well enough alone, knowing that if I intervene the next correction from Becky towards the youngster will only be harsher. I have a young bitch, Kate, who has been here from the time she was approximately 4 months old. She's now over a year. Becky lets Kate get away with murder. I have another nine month old bitch who Becky expects to tow the line, so it's not that Becky is mellowing. It's almost like Becky is passing the baton, grooming Kate to be the next alpha bitch. If I think about it too long it makes me blue:( Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds In a message dated 6/27/2008 12:37:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, windwych@xxxxxxxxx writes: I dont allow my bitches together... **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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