I agree with Kay, hemangiosarcoma (not the skin variety) is a deadly , fast, silent killer :( If this is suspected I always advise people to take it very seriously and also advise that they enjoy time with their beloved furkid as I cannot recall a dog saved from this cancer......by the time symptoms are noticed with this one it is too late and usually the symptoms are noticed when the dog is crashing. I personally lost a 6mth old puppy (yes I said 6 month old puppy) to this terrible cancer and when she crashed she was gone within 12 hours, nothing could be done. I had actually noticed early symptoms (urine that resembled cola, bloated appearence) but my vet couldnt figure it out, neither could two independent vets...I was going to take her to U of Penn and she crashed and I rushed her to a local vet......I lost her in the car...it was terrible and breaks my heart to this day to remember. Im sorry for being blunt, but I think it is important when it comes to this cancer...it kills fast and owners need to be prepared for that to prevent unneeded anguish and suffering for both furkid and loving owner......my little baby remained as normal as she possibly could up till the day she died...she ate, played and was always happy to see everyone....I had her for three months of her life and I cherish those memories. Cherri Pursell eastgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Thom's GSDs NJ www.eastgsd.com > [Original Message] > From: <SHOWGSD@xxxxxxx> > To: <chcohosh@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 12/7/2004 8:18:06 PM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: tumors/spleen > > > In a message dated 12/7/04 3:39:00 AM, chcohosh@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes: > > << They felt the size could be do to the > stress and bloat as the spleen will engorge during this type of event. But > they also said that there could be a mass on the spleen and that this was > very common with GSD's. > > > > So my question - anyone had experience with this or heard that tumors of the > spleen are common? >> > > > ++++++++++ > > I have some experience in this. First, I have always been told by my vets > that often GSD's have spleens that are larger than most dogs and often there is > nothing wrong with them. > > Second, my champion/UD foundation bitch died of a mass on her spleen that > burst and made her go into cardiac arrest. She was 12 1/2 and one night she > began throwing up at about 2 am. She had always had a cast iron stomach and when > this continued for about 40 minutes I rushed her to emergency as I was > concerned she may be starting to bloat/torsion. The emergency confirmed that she was > not bloating or torsioning but they wanted to keep her over night. When I > picked her up in the morning, they said they thought she just had a case of > enteritis and she should be fine and to feed her light meals for a day or so. I > took one look at her and decided she wasn't fine and was waiting for my vet > when she arrived at 7:30 am. My wonderful vet, looked at her, felt her abdomen > and felt there was something going on with her spleen. She did exrays, an > ultrasound & blood work on her and found that she did have a tumor on her spleen > that was bleeding. Both vets in the practice felt she needed surgery and > felt it should be done by a board certified surgeon as they knew how much she > meant to me. To make a long story short, before the board certified surgeon > arrived she went into cardiac arrest (they felt the tumor burst). They were able > to revive her but in about 20 minutes it happened again and we lost her. From > the first signs of her illness to when she passed over the rainbow bridge it > was less that 16 hours. She had showed absolutely no signs prior to vomiting > that early morning. Why the emergency vet didn't catch the problem, I am not > sure as that particular emergency hospital is excellent. > > So if you even suspect something like a tumor on the spleen I would ultra > sound immediately. > > Hope this helps. > > Kay Springer > www.showboatgsd.com > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. 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