In a message dated 12/7/04 3:39:00 AM, chcohosh@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes: << They felt the size could be do to the stress and bloat as the spleen will engorge during this type of event. But they also said that there could be a mass on the spleen and that this was very common with GSD's. So my question - anyone had experience with this or heard that tumors of the spleen are common? >> ++++++++++ I have some experience in this. First, I have always been told by my vets that often GSD's have spleens that are larger than most dogs and often there is nothing wrong with them. Second, my champion/UD foundation bitch died of a mass on her spleen that burst and made her go into cardiac arrest. She was 12 1/2 and one night she began throwing up at about 2 am. She had always had a cast iron stomach and when this continued for about 40 minutes I rushed her to emergency as I was concerned she may be starting to bloat/torsion. The emergency confirmed that she was not bloating or torsioning but they wanted to keep her over night. When I picked her up in the morning, they said they thought she just had a case of enteritis and she should be fine and to feed her light meals for a day or so. I took one look at her and decided she wasn't fine and was waiting for my vet when she arrived at 7:30 am. My wonderful vet, looked at her, felt her abdomen and felt there was something going on with her spleen. She did exrays, an ultrasound & blood work on her and found that she did have a tumor on her spleen that was bleeding. Both vets in the practice felt she needed surgery and felt it should be done by a board certified surgeon as they knew how much she meant to me. To make a long story short, before the board certified surgeon arrived she went into cardiac arrest (they felt the tumor burst). They were able to revive her but in about 20 minutes it happened again and we lost her. From the first signs of her illness to when she passed over the rainbow bridge it was less that 16 hours. She had showed absolutely no signs prior to vomiting that early morning. Why the emergency vet didn't catch the problem, I am not sure as that particular emergency hospital is excellent. So if you even suspect something like a tumor on the spleen I would ultra sound immediately. Hope this helps. Kay Springer www.showboatgsd.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================