[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: .. the little secret... unsound temperament
- From: Joan Fox <campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "myjoygs@xxxxxxx" <myjoygs@xxxxxxx>, "mustlovedogs61@xxxxxxxxx" <mustlovedogs61@xxxxxxxxx>, "SHOWGSD-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <SHOWGSD-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 11:04:23 -0700 (PDT)
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>Great posts Carolyn and Joyce!
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>It all gets back to the judges.
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>Don't support the ones that not only do not do a loose lead temperament test
>but reward dogs that are unsound. We are not asking for anything more than
>everyday social interaction in the ring as there is no way under the AKC
>system to do anything else.
>I guess I am old, as I remember the days when judges that signed a contract
>with the GSDCA to do this simple test at Nationals and Futurity/Maturities
>where penalized. What happened? It's still in the contract. Actually, judges
>that reward unsound dogs are in violation of the AKC Guidelines for judges as
>they are not judging to our breeds standard.
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>
>Don't support judges that allow dogs to be raced around the ring strung up.
>Here again, the Standard asks for ....covers the most amount of ground with
>the least number of steps. This can be best seen when they are slowed down an
>put on a loose lead. Then the judge can see the back motion, the moving from
>the elbow not the shoulder and the kicking out or high in the rear.
>
>
>Joan
>
>Joan F. Fox
>17500 Haskins Rd.
>Chagrin Falls, Ohio 44023
>tel: 440-759-4119
>http://www.campaignersgsds.com
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>
>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: myjoygs@xxxxxxx; mustlovedogs61@xxxxxxxxx; SHOWGSD-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 11:53 AM
>>Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] .. the little secret... unsound temperament
>>
>>
>>Most of the posts regarding temperament are all pretty much
>>right ON...
>>..from spooks to the real meaning of 'aloof'..to handling stress.
>>
>>But MORE than even politics is the real 'root' of the problem.
>>We have become SO DEPENDENT upon the handlers to handle it for
>>us...and Judges have become SO DEPENDENT upon HOW a dog shows
>>rather than really judging them according to the Standard that
>>we are losing our own 'THE German Shepherd Dog' Breed.
>>It really is too bad.
>>How can we be concerned about good temperament, good feet, strong
>>athletic co-ordination, incorrect ribbing, etc....
>>when all that REALLY seems to matter is how the dog performs.
>>AND of course
the ONLY THING so many
seem to identify a great
>>dog with......front extension. TO heck with a sound dog....<G>
>>As long as a dog or even a puppy "FLIES" around the ring so that
>>it APPEARS they have a good front and their rear drops so that it
>>APPEARS they have good rear drive......the details of the Standard
>>do not seem to matter to so many.
>>It really is our own LOSS!
>>Don't get me wrong...I LOVE a great front...along with a powerful
>>rear drive hard topline and a great performance...
>>BUT when performance is ALL that matters...then we owe our souls to
>>"doggie camps"...handlers....and our own illusions!!
>>Really too bad.....
>>
>>Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>www.marhaven.com
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>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>On Behalf Of myjoygs@xxxxxxx
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 7:43 AM
>>To: mustlovedogs61@xxxxxxxxx; SHOWGSD-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Fw: Awarding unsound temperament
>>
>>its called politics and lies in the hands of the judges. Doing a friend a
>>favor by putting their dog
up whether it's temperament was not up to par or
>>that its quality was less then what was in the class but still manage to
>>win. The judging on quality is harder to determine
because you can say that
>>it was the judges opinion for the day. But temperament is pretty much there
>>for everyone to see. So the judges who play politics don't show under them
>>and when their not pulling entries they may wake up, who knows.
>>Your right Janet the newbies that come into the breed and see this turn
>>around and walk away.
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>>
>>MYJOY SHEPHERDS
>>Joyce Willis
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