[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: the croup, the hindquarter, and what have you...

From: "Kay Reamensnyder" <bedkar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Peggy" <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "Liz" <RockyLizard@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:57:16 -0700
Peggy is Correct:

The book recommended by the AKC judging department is
CANINE TERMINOLOGY by Harold R. Spira.........
It confirms Peggy's definition of the Stifle.....

Terminology is one of the weakest aspects of Dog Standards.........
unfortunately, using the terms "upper and lower thigh" is very missleading
but, it been commonly used for a long time by the dog fancy.....


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> [Original Message]
> From: Peggy <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Liz <RockyLizard@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <Santanagsd1954@xxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 9/10/2006 8:04:26 AM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: the croup, the hindquarter, and what have
you...
>
> There is no upper and lower stifle.  You are talking about the thighs.  
> The stifle is a joint.  It corresponds to the knee in the human.
> If you have an upper knee and a lower knee, you are unique.
>
> He may be wonderful and knowledgeable...and if y'all are having a 
> problem with him having English as a second language, then
> the problem lies with the way you interpret what he says.  I suspect he 
> attempted to simplify things for his readers.  Personally I
> have never had a problem understanding people whose English wasn't great. 
>    
>     You can email him, phone him, send him to my house...and I will bet 
> you he will agree with me and not with what you are all
> saying.  The knee is a joint...the stifle is the dog's knee...and it is 
> a joint.  Perhaps those of you who are taking what he said as
> gospel need to have it clarified...I don't.
>
>     Perhaps the quote we were given (and which I've looked up myself 
> from his work) was simplified in an effort to make it understandable...
> obviously he failed.
>       
>     Anyway, you can all dispute all you like.  I know where a dog's 
> stifle is, where the hock is, and where the croup is...I don't need him
> to give it to me in simplified language.  I also understand how these 
> parts work.
>
>        I've received several private emails from people who have met 
> this gentleman and attended his lectures, and not one of them think
> that the interpretations put here on the list are accurate or correct. 
>
>        The word "parallel" means that no matter how far you draw the 
> lines, they will never intersect.  An angle is composed of intersecting
> lines.  That's true no matter what language anyone speaks in.
>
> Peggy
>
> Liz wrote:
>
> > I'm sorry to dispute this, Peggy, but Ricardo is VERY VERY good.  I 
> > have met him personally on more than one occasion.  My understanding 
> > from people in my local club is that he has a doctorate in animal 
> > anatomy/physiology, but either way he is incredibly knowledgeable and 
> > accurate.  He is quite literally renowned world-wide for this.  I 
> > hardly think if he casually stated errors constantly that this would 
> > be so.
> >
> > The femur is the upper stifle, the tibia is the lower.
> >
> > The only thing I can think of that may have caused any confusion is 
> > Ricardo is from Argentina, and does speak English as a 2nd language.
> >
> > If you'd like, I'll email him and ask him to clarify this for you.
>
>
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