once again  keep voting those lifers in!!!!!...lol....our US congress has an all time low rating poll...and guess what?...most of them get voted in time after time...many of them are lifers too....will "we" ever learn....me thinks NOT....Ed Hill...time to go to school...please pray for my poor kids......sitting with me all day long.... that's like child abuse...lol...FB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rbuffdogs ." <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx> To: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: "Jen Proud" <proudk9@xxxxxxxxx>, "Doc Zoe" <wynsum@xxxxxxx>, "showgsd-l" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 6:42:50 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: the Fair thing ...... Good Post Carolyn I am surprised that so many seem to view the inability of getting a 500 into St Louis as a shock.lol  It has been that way for at least 10 years.  In 2002 we flew in with others and our crates came in upside down.  That was the end of 500 crates , other than as straight cargo $$$$ It is not new and it is always a problem.  Nowadays with the airlines wanting petitie bitches in 500s and big males in 700s , (follow the money trail) flying is ridiculous.  We can ship a bitch from Italy cheaper than flying to the St Louis areas and back with one   Speaking only for ourselves, we are done flying our dogs, around to shows. Too risky, and the expense is absurd. Driving is what most people do now...but to drive 4 or 5 days, then take a too long WEEK to attend a show (that should take three days) and drive back...who has the time and money for it?   This is the dilemma faced by 1/3 of the country right now...for the next 3 years after Philly. Please those of you that live within a day's drive, spare me, how wonderful the site is, too. Of course it is, if you are nearby.   But it simply is not equitable for ANY part of the country to have the National in one place.  It would be unfair if it were held in the Western US for three years as well.  Rotation was what the membership wanted.  We may have to "GASP", change our ideas on what constitutes a site, and we really need to think about getting back to just putting on a dog show without all the parades, etc.  It is not a debutante ball, it is a dog show,, time we start remembering that. Kathy *http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com* *Updated: June 2013* *CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs CH. Victory's Leviathan **Kappo von Eisenwerk* *RBIF Monarch's Tarragon v Kaleef* * * *"Victory...*Vires et honestas" On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote: > > considering every "NATIONAL" site .... every single year.  After all..it IS > the 'big' Event of the year and planned on by most of us all year. > Some MUST fly...and some CAN drive. The sites should be accommodating for > getting dogs there for everyone. > Rotating the National can be done without making it completely on one Coast > thus making it almost impossible for an entire portion of the membership > unable > to get there with a dog.  It can be rotated more central to the East and > to > > the West, making it at least DOABLE for almost all of us. > > Carolyn  marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > www.marhaven.com > > > - > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012.  All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post.  This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. 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