In a message dated 6/24/2005 9:27:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, utter227@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: With all the talk lately on here about what it takes to get a "show" dog, the money it costs, the time it takes, could this be the reason why numbers are falling? I would expect many don't have the money it's said to take, or the time either. It's either for the rich or those who don't mind being broke all the time. Probably many of us fit into the latter group LOL. Anne I doubt it because people still "do" things with their dogs that cost $$$$$ but are perceived as being more fun and enjoyable. As far as "getting" a show dog, looking at it from another angle, as one who breeds an occasional litter when I want to keep something for ME ~ when the cost of a companion puppy @ 8 weeks is similar to or in some areas may even exceed what a "show home" would expect to pay after the breeder assumes all the risk and grows the baby out a bit, and then IF the puppy for whatever reason doesn't meet expectations, the breeder has to place an older youngster at a much reduced $$$$ ~ when basically all the companion home wants @ 8 weeks is a health certificate and a reasonable hip guarantee and the show home wants next year's superstar, w/all sorts of guarantees, who BTW has to meet the approval of their handlers, their regional club members, friends and anyone who cares to offer an opinion at each and every stage of the youngster's growth and development or for sure you're 'gonna hear about it ~ and MOST importantly IMO ~ when the likelihood of a companion puppy going to a forever home and living a life close to that of a much loved child far exceeds that of a "show prospect" who is one of many and may or may not be next year's superstar and if not, you have to wonder where it will end up ~ the temptation is to let a promising baby go at 8 weeks and wish it a long healthy life and if the only folks who enjoy its beauty are the owners and their neighbors...so be it. Is it any wonder there are a whole lot of nice dogs laying on couches? Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================